Ong Beng Hui wrote:
The problem of been LoS is a big problem in metro as far as I know.
You can't just put a pair of FSO gear without going to the building
owner to talk about rights and cost. Not forgetting lighting
protection and other stuff.
Murphy, Brian S CTR USAF ACC 83 NOS/Det 4
Earth is a single point of failure.
On top of that, one basic principle of telecommunications:
No matter how much diversity and path redundancy, tons of concrete or
titanium sealed fiber vaults you have, in the data exchange between points
A and B there will be always two single points of
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-Original Message-
From: Jorge Amodio [mailto:jmamo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:21 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Earth is a single point of failure.
On top of that, one basic
, 2009 11:19
To: Dylan Ebner dylan.eb...@crlmed.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dylan Ebner wrote:
It will be easier to get more divergence than secure all the manholes in
the country.
I still think skipping the securing of manholes
True enough Jorge, however, we need full-orbed perspective hereit's
not merely beating a dead horse; as far as topic goes, it is purely
edification in the nth degree, manner, fashion. This is the lingua
franca of this forum, and those who chose to read it, or not. Not
merely pointed
: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:31 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
True enough Jorge, however, we need full-orbed perspective hereit's
not merely beating a dead horse; as far as topic goes, it is purely
edification in the nth degree, manner, fashion. This is the lingua
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-Original Message-
From: Jorge Amodio [mailto:jmamo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:21 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Earth is a single point of failure.
On top
Message-
From: Deepak Jain [mailto:dee...@ai.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:36 PM
To: Gino Villarini; Jorge Amodio; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
I don't mean to jump in here and state the obvious, but wireless links
are not a panacea. At least a few folks have
in such a key US metropolitan area?
-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Deepak Jain; Jorge Amodio; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
Good points, some variables are dependant on the network
; Deepak Jain; Jorge Amodio; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
Wireless RF links have their drawbacks:
1. Current GHz Frequency technology places upper limit of 1 Gbps on
point-to-point links, and distance at 1 Gbps is limited. Commercial GiGE
radios are just now appearing
Gino Villarini wrote:
Good points, some variables are dependant on the network infrastructure
of the wireless provider. Localy, the main 2 providers have a
copper/fiber independent networks.
I'm pretty sure the WISPs in the Santa Cruz and Gilroy/Morgan Hill areas
were all also taken
Gino Villarini wrote:
SF area is serviced by Covad Wireless division among others, every major
US city is served by at least 1 or 2 reputable business class Wireless
ISP's.
AFAIK Covad Wireless is just last mile wireless, and the route your
packets take quickly merges with the local
I think this issue has been beat.
We're dealing with an arcaic system and protection at the same time...
Mark Jackson, CCIE 4736
Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
858-705-1861
markcciejack...@gmail.com
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Please excuse spelling errors
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:24 PM, JC
Gino Villarini wrote:
Here in my area most of business outfits that require maximum
availability of Internet or WAN conenctions have implemented dual
connections from dual providers, most with a fiber/copper main and a
fixed wireless backup. This trend goes from banks to Mcdonalds
Gino
JC Dill wrote:
Gino Villarini wrote:
Good points, some variables are dependant on the network infrastructure
of the wireless provider. Localy, the main 2 providers have a
copper/fiber independent networks.
I'm pretty sure the WISPs in the Santa Cruz and Gilroy/Morgan Hill
areas were
Roy wrote:
JC Dill wrote:
I'm pretty sure the WISPs in the Santa Cruz and Gilroy/Morgan Hill
areas were all also taken offline due to the fiber cut. (Roy, can you
verify, for south county?) Anyone in those areas who relied on a WISP
as a backup to their fiber/copper link found that their
or
more pairs can probably handle the 80% situation in the metro (unless there is
data to indicate otherwise).
murph
-
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:57:52 -0700
From: Roy r.engehau...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
To: JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com
The problem of been LoS is a big problem in metro as far as I know.
You can't just put a pair of FSO gear without going to the building
owner to talk about rights and cost. Not forgetting lighting protection
and other stuff.
Murphy, Brian S CTR USAF ACC 83 NOS/Det 4 wrote:
I haven't seen any
Mike Lewinski wrote:
Joe Greco wrote:
Which brings me to a new point: if we accept that security by
obscurity is not security, then, what (practical thing) IS security?
Obscurity as a principle works just fine provided the given token is
obscure enough. Ideally there are layers of security
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:18:04 -0500
Stephen Sprunk step...@sprunk.org wrote:
Mike Lewinski wrote:
Joe Greco wrote:
Which brings me to a new point: if we accept that security by
obscurity is not security, then, what (practical thing) IS
security?
Obscurity as a principle works just
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-Original Message-
From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:12 AM
To: Mike Lewinski
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Joe Greco wrote:
My point was more the inverse
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dylan Ebner wrote:
Manhole locks are just going to stop vandalism, and I think the threat
to obstruction calculation just doesn't add up for that small level of
isolated cases.
It doesn't stop it, it just makes it slightly harder, and they'll go after
another point.
: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
One thing that is missing here is before we can define security we
need to define the threat and the obstruction the security creates.
With an ATM machine, the threat is someone comes and steals the machine
for the cash. The majority of the assailants in an ATM case
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Manhole locks are just going to stop vandalism, and I think the
threat
to obstruction calculation just doesn't add up for that small level
of
isolated cases.
It doesn't stop it, it just makes it slightly harder, and they'll go
On 4/13/09, Dylan Ebner dylan.eb...@crlmed.com wrote:
My point is, it is getting harder and harder to gurantee path divergence
and sometimes the redundancies need to be built into the workflow
instead of IT.
Actually, in many ways it's getting easier; now, you can sign an NDA
with your
I guess the next generation fiber networks will need to be installed with
tunnel boring machines and just not surface anywhere except the endpoints
:) After all, undersea cables get along just fine without convenient access
along their length...
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Mikael
Or skip the locks and fill the manholes with sand. Then provide the service
folks those big suction trucks to remove the sand for servicing :)
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andy Ringsmuth andyr...@inebraska.comwrote:
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Manhole locks
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
I guess the next generation fiber networks will need to be installed with
tunnel boring machines and just not surface anywhere except the endpoints
:) After all, undersea cables get along just fine without convenient
access along their length...
Boat
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dylan Ebner wrote:
It will be easier to get more divergence than secure all the manholes in
the country.
I still think skipping the securing of manholes and access points in favor
of active monitoring with offsite access is a better solution. You can't
keep people
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:37:00AM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
as long as the west's ideological opponents want terror rather than panic,
and also to inflict long term losses rather than short term losses, that's
true. in this light you can hopefully understand why bollards to protect
internet
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, chris.ra...@nokia.com wrote:
Peter Beckman [mailto:beck...@angryox.com] wrote:
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:19 AM
To: Dylan Ebner
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dylan Ebner wrote:
It will be easier to get more divergence
--- beck...@angryox.com wrote:
I still think skipping the securing of manholes and access
points in favor of active monitoring with offsite access is a
better solution.
The only thing missing from your plan was a cost analysis. Cost of each,
plus operational costs, * however many of each
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- beck...@angryox.com wrote:
I still think skipping the securing of manholes and access
points in favor of active monitoring with offsite access is a
better solution.
The only thing missing from your plan was a cost analysis. Cost of each,
plus
Peter Beckman [mailto:beck...@angryox.com] wrote:
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:19 AM
To: Dylan Ebner
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Dylan Ebner wrote:
It will be easier to get more divergence than secure all the
manholes in the country.
I still
On 4/13/2009 at 1:12 PM, Peter Beckman beck...@angryox.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- beck...@angryox.com wrote:
I still think skipping the securing of manholes and access
points in favor of active monitoring with offsite access is a
better solution.
The only
Hi Peter,
You wrote:
So, let's see. I'm pulling numbers out of my butt here,
snip
Total cost...is about $3000 per mile for equipment
snip
It could run on an overhead monorail
snip
Network it all
snip
Confickr-type domains to make sure
I get the feeling you haven't deployed or
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, chris.ra...@nokia.com wrote:
I get the feeling you haven't deployed or operated large networks.
Nope.
You never did say what the multiplier was. How many miles or detection
nodes there were. Think millions. The number that popped into my head
when thinking of active
I sense a thread moderation occurring here shortly.
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:39:23 EDT, Izaac said:
Do you realize that you're putting trust in the sane action of parties
who conclude their reasoning process with destruction and murder?
And how is that different
This all implies that the majority of fiber is in tunnels that can
be monitored. In my experience, almost none of it is in tunnels.
In NYC, it's usually buried in conduits directly under the street,
with no access, except through the man holes which are located about
every 500 feet.
In
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, chris.ra...@nokia.com chris.ra...@nokia.com wrote:
From: Peter Beckman
Subject: RE: Fiber cut in SF area
Total cost...is about $3000 per mile for
equipment
I get the feeling you haven't deployed or operated large
networks. You never did say what the multiplier
On 14/04/2009, at 11:35 AM, David Barak wrote:
In addition, as has been noted, this system wouldn't PREVENT a
failure, it would just give you some warning that a failure may be
coming, probably by a matter of minutes.
Some statistics about the effectiveness of car alarms and unmonitored
But that would not be NEBS Complient -PHB
I have thought of air horns in my colo cage when a tech of mine messes up.
--Original Message--
From: Nathan Ward
To: nanog list
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Sent: Apr 13, 2009 4:55 PM
On 14/04/2009, at 11:35 AM, David Barak wrote
Nathan Ward wrote:
Whack a $5 12v horn on it, and my bet is that it'd become a deterrent
pretty quickly.
Presumes the perp isn't familiar with the hole, and it's security
measures. In this case, I doubt that either is the case. Pop in, snip
the wires on the horn, and do what you do.
Most
There are three solutions to the problem;
A: Put a armed soldier every 150ft on the fiber path.
B: Make the infrstructure so redundant that cutting things
just makes you tired, but nothing hapens.
C: Do nothing.
As the society becomes more and more
Though I think networked environmental monitoring has its merits, it's
clear the technology is unproven in monitoring fiber tunnels, and my
inexperience in running and managing such tunnels makes this thread
bordering on off-topic.
I'm happy to continue conversations via email, but this will be
Presumes the perp isn't familiar with the hole, and it's security measures.
In this case, I doubt that either is the case. Pop in, snip the wires on the
horn, and do what you do.
Better they cut the fiber instead of Oklahoma Citying the central office.
But you are ignoring the cost of designing, procuring, installing,
monitoring, maintaining such a solution for the THOUSANDS of man holes
and hand holes in even a small fiber network.
The reality is, the types of outages that these things would protect
against (intentional damage to the
On 4/13/09, George William Herbert gherb...@retro.com wrote:
Matthew Petach writes:
protected rings are a technology of the past. Don't count on your
vendor to provide redundancy for you. Get two unprotected runs
for half the cost each, from two different providers, and verify the
path
On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
There are three solutions to the problem;
A: Put a armed soldier every 150ft on the fiber path.
B: Make the infrstructure so redundant that cutting things
just makes you tired, but nothing hapens.
C: Do
There are three solutions to the problem;
A: Put a armed soldier every 150ft on the fiber path.
B: Make the infrstructure so redundant that cutting things
just makes you tired, but nothing hapens.
C: Do nothing.
As the society becomes more and more
Matthew Petach wrote:
George William Herbert gherb...@retro.com wrote:
Matthew Petach writes:
protected rings are a technology of the past. Don't count on your
vendor to provide redundancy for you. Get two unprotected runs
for half the cost each, from two different providers, and
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:41:25AM +0200, Peter Lothberg wrote:
There are three solutions to the problem;
A: Put a armed soldier every 150ft on the fiber path.
B: Make the infrstructure so redundant that cutting things
just makes you tired, but nothing hapens.
C:
On 4/13/09, George William Herbert gherb...@retro.com wrote:
Matthew Petach wrote:
George William Herbert gherb...@retro.com wrote:
Matthew Petach writes:
[much material snipped in the interests of saving precious electron
resources...]
This was all in one geographical area.
Rofl Matt,
I was recently laid off from my job for 'economic' reasons, what you say is
deadly accurate.
Bravo! :)
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote:
On 4/13/09, George William Herbert gherb...@retro.com wrote:
Matthew Petach wrote:
George William
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:41:25AM +0200, Peter Lothberg wrote:
There are three solutions to the problem;
A: Put a armed soldier every 150ft on the fiber path.
B: Make the infrstructure so redundant that cutting things
just makes you tired, but
telmn...@757.org wrote:
Presumes the perp isn't familiar with the hole, and it's security
measures. In this case, I doubt that either is the case. Pop in, snip
the wires on the horn, and do what you do.
Better they cut the fiber instead of Oklahoma Citying the central office.
If you're
On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:40 PM, telmn...@757.org wrote:
Better they cut the fiber instead of Oklahoma Citying the central
office.
I'm not sure that the someone will alway s find the weakest link
argument can be summed up any better than this.
If you don't believe it, you all need to spend
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Joe Greco wrote:
Public key crypto is, pretty much by definition, reliant on the
obscurity of private keys in order to make it work.
In security terms, public key crypto is not security by obscurity, as
the obscurity part is related to how the method works, and the key
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote:
I'm not sure that the manholes == atm discussion is valid, but in the
end the same thing is prone to happen to the manholes, there isn't
going to be a unique key per manhole, at best it'll be 1/region or
1/manhole-owner. In the end that key is
Joe Greco wrote:
My point was more the inverse, which is that a determined, equipped,
and knowledgeable attacker is a very difficult thing to defend against.
The Untold Story of the World's Biggest Diamond Heist published
recently in Wired was a good read on that subject:
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I
Once upon a time, Jo¢ jbfixu...@gmail.com said:
Yes if enough time goes by anything can happen, but how can one
argue an ATM machince that has (at times) thousands of dollars stands
out 24/7 without more immediate wealth. Perhaps I am missing
something here, do the Cops stake out those areas?
* Joe Greco:
The ATM machine is somewhat protected for the extremely obvious reason
that it has cash in it, but an ATM is hardly impervious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8WM8ZZDHk
Heh. Once you install ATMs into solid walls, the attacks get a tad
more interesting. In some places of
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
* Joe Greco:
The ATM machine is somewhat protected for the extremely obvious reason
that it has cash in it, but an ATM is hardly impervious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8WM8ZZDHk
Heh. Once you install ATMs
The best protecion is good engineering taking advantage of
technologies and architecures
available since long time ago at any of the different network layers.
Why network operators/carriers don't do it ?, it's another issue and
most of the time
is a question of bottom line numbers for which there
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel
manhole covers in minutes.
You can cut the
You can cut the concrete, too, for that matter, with oxyacetylene, as long as
you wear certain protective gear. We have a few vault covers here that are
concrete covering the largest vaults we have. You need more than a manhole
hook to get one of those covers up.
And when you think you
Jo? wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I would say at
The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract
from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about!
s/DARPA/ARPA/; s/BBM/BBN/; s/Internet/ARPAnet/.
BBN won the contract to build the first four IMPs.
Theory and research about it is older, look at:
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice through regular steel
manhole covers in minutes.
Yes, but we
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Roger Marquis wrote:
The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract
from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about! The net was
created to enable communications bttn point A and point B in this exact
scenario.
Uh, not exactly. There was
Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many
banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me
thinks its doubtful.
I also wonder if the bigger pharmacies such as Longs, Walgreens, Rite-Aid,
Etc had thought about these kinds of issues? I
While OT the news reports indicated ATMs were offline and many credit card
processing machines were down. This is no big shock because many ATM
networks are on frame relay and POS credit card machines use POTS lines.
The outage also impacted mobile service too if it hadn't been said.
I hope we
Mike Lyon wrote:
Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many
banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me
thinks its doubtful.
...
Because of the loss of the alarm systems, many banks went to a method
where only one or two people were
Don't really care so much about the bank's security, especially if it was
one that received some the bailout money :)
I was more worried about if people could make withdraws from their bank
accounts. Deposits they could do as they could enter them in later but
withdraws I think would be
Sean Donelan wrote:
Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also
N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of
the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So in that
sense the system worked as designed.
About eight or ten
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote:
On Saturday 11 April 2009 08:31:55 Joe Greco wrote:
Speaking of that, a manhole cover is
typically protecting some hole, accessway, or vault that's made out of
concrete.
An oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter will slice
, 2009 6:02 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Sean Donelan wrote:
Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also
N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of
the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So
Jorge Amodio wrote:
s/DARPA/ARPA/; s/BBM/BBN/; s/Internet/ARPAnet/.
/DARPA/ARPA/ may be splitting hairs. According to
http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ii_roberts.htm
DARPA head Charlie Hertzfeld promised IPTO Director Bob Taylor a million
dollars to build a distributed communications
Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
and I also would ask.. what's the cost/risk here? 'We' lost at best
~1day for some folks in the outage, nothing global and nothing
earth-shattering... This has happened (this sort of thing) 1 time in
how many years? Expending $$ and time and
An easy way to describe what your saying is Security by obscurity is
not security
On Apr 11, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
Jo¢ wrote:
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber
Roger Marquis wrote:
Why didn't the man in the street pharmacy have its own backup plans?
I assume they, as most of us, believed the government was taking care of
the country's critical infrastructure. Interesting how well this
illustrates the growing importance of the Internet vis-a-vis
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Lamar Owen wrote:
The locking covers I have seen here put the lock(s) on the inside cover cam
jackscrew (holes through the jackscrew close to the inside cover seal rod
nut), rather than on the outside cover, thus keeping the padlocks out of the
weather.
I'm starting to
An easy way to describe what your saying is Security by obscurity is
not security
Yes and no. From a certain point of view, security is almost always
closely tied to obscurity.
A cylinder lock is simply a device that operates through principles that
are relatively unknown to the average
Joe Greco wrote:
My point was more the inverse, which is that a determined, equipped,
and knowledgeable attacker is a very difficult thing to defend against.
The Untold Story of the World's Biggest Diamond Heist published
recently in Wired was a good read on that subject:
George William Herbert wrote:
Scott Doty wrote:
(Personally, I can think of a MAE-Clueless episode that was worse than
this, but that was in the 90's...)
The gas main strike out front of the building in Santa Clara?
Or something else?
-george william herbert
gherb...@retro.com
On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
George William Herbert wrote:
Scott Doty wrote:
(Personally, I can think of a MAE-Clueless episode that was
worse than this, but that was in the 90's...)
The gas main strike out front of the building in Santa Clara?
Or something else?
I'm confussed, but please pardon the ignorance.
All the data centers we have are at minimum keys to access
data areas. Not that every area of fiber should have such, but
at least should they? Manhole covers can be keyed. For those of
you arguing that this is not enough, I would say at least
Yup. Abovenet fiber between 200 Paul SFO and 11 Great Oaks SJC is currently
out of commission.
jason
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Stefan Molnar ste...@csudsu.com wrote:
VZ in the South Bay (San Jose) is out. As per news reports I watched at
6am PDT.
--Original Message--
200 Paul Ave is seeing several carriers down. I am also in Santa Cruz and
cannot make or receive long distance calls on my land lines. Unconfirmed
reports of Caltrain cut.
Cheers,
Aaron
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:37:14PM +, Stefan Molnar wrote:
VZ in the South Bay (San Jose) is out.
Hello,
Mercurynews.com is reporting telephone outages in Santa Clara and
Santa Cruz counties that started around 2:00 am local time. I
observed numerous carrier outages starting around 4:00 am local
time. Does anyone know if this is due to the same fiber cut, or are
these separate issues?
Seeing the same thing have an oc48 down from abovenet out of 200 paul
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Hughes [mailto:aar...@bind.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:13 AM
To: Stefan Molnar
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
200 Paul Ave is seeing several carriers down
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote:
Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a
metro line down). AboveNet is reporting issues and I've heard unconfirmed
reports that ATT and VZW are affected as well.
Confirmed VZW ATT;
News coverage:
http://cow.org/r/?5459
http://cow.org/r/?545a
And not that I expect any useful updates:
http://twitter.com/attnews
-r
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote:
Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a
metro line down).
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:15:05AM -0600, David Edwards wrote:
Mercurynews.com is reporting telephone outages in Santa Clara and
Santa Cruz counties that started around 2:00 am local time. I
observed numerous carrier outages starting around 4:00 am local
time. Does anyone know if this
I saw my Sonic.net-over-ATT ADSL go dark at 02:30 local and it is still
down, served on a fiber remote out of SNCZCA01. (I'm guessing the 200
Paul outages are associated with where this ATM terminates and that's
the cause, rather than the service in/out of Santa Cruz County, but I
have no way
Level3 is having problems in the 216 area code as well (Cleveland)
George Roettger
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From: David Edwards [mailto:da...@reliablehosting.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:15 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area
Hello,
Mercurynews.com
Anyone know where the actual cut is?
On 4/9/09, David W. Hankins david_hank...@isc.org wrote:
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:14:15AM -0700, Craig Holland wrote:
Just dropping a note that there is a fiber cut in the SF area (I have a
metro line down). AboveNet is reporting issues and I've heard
isn't there a mailing list for this sort of thing? outages@ I think it is?
(not that I mind, just a little advert for the appropriate forum, and
a place that MAY have some useful info on this topic)
-chris
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Ravi Pina r...@cow.org wrote:
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