I think we need an emai list with both skillsets on it?
REmember this affects each one of us.
Alex, LF/HF 1
Le 24/03/2020 à 14:18, Radu-Adrian Feurdean a écrit :
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 19:59, Mike Hammett wrote:
Join an IX your provider is on?
As someone that works for an IXP these days,
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 19:59, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Join an IX your provider is on?
As someone that works for an IXP these days, I would prefer *NOT* having to
deal with people that do not understand the Internet ecosystem. Which
hospitals, and most businesses are.
An IXP is not an ISP
On 21/Mar/20 14:43, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> I tend to agree - I dont think there is any capacity problem in the
> core network or server platforms, including netflix. I do not see it
> for my part as of now. I am an end user, not a Network sysadmin.
>
> I heard about EU measures to
On 21/Mar/20 13:53, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Unless the IX or OCA feed goes to the DSLAM, node, tower... no.
Not sure what you mean.
Mark.
On 21/Mar/20 23:37, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> My remarks weren't about Netflix or any other particular service.
> (FWIW, I agree with you on both quoted points about the lack of
> evidence. Maybe it'll arrive. Maybe it won't.)
>
> I was trying to speak, perhaps unsuccessfully, in broader
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 04:42:51AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote:
> All I'm saying is at the moment, there is no empirical information to
> suggest that Netflix will break what's left of the Internet. Nor is
> there any empirical information suggesting that singling them out will
> help keep it going.
On 21/Mar/20 13:28, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
> 4K isn't supported by all devices and plans. I'm not sure what kind
> of savings you can actually realize there. It could be that 4K
> content isn't worth caching near the edge. Then ditching 4K could
> still have a significant effect despite
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Le 21/03/2020 à 12:28, Florian Weimer a écrit
Le 21/03/2020 à 03:42, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 20/Mar/20 19:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
+100.
In all the decades that I've been here (on the 'nets), the saddest change
I've seen is the lack of responsibility on the part of people who have,
by virtue of their positions, been given incredible
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On 20/Mar/20 15:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services that
aren't as adaptable.
I think that's case specific on the type of network you have built, and whether
your feed your customers Netfl
* Mike Hammett:
> Netflix recommends 25 megs for Ultra HD, while only 5 megs for
> HD. That's a 5x difference in something people likely won't notice
> and would make a big difference on the additional VPN, VoIP, video
> conferencing, etc.
4K isn't supported by all devices and plans. I'm not
On Friday, 20 March, 2020 20:43, Mark Tinka wrote:
>If we go down this path, who's to say which service provider will or
>won't be "targeted" next at the whim of some command & control policy
>maker? Is it a rabbit hole whose top-soil we want to uncover?
Perhaps the "advertizing" and
On 20/Mar/20 19:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> +100.
>
> In all the decades that I've been here (on the 'nets), the saddest change
> I've seen is the lack of responsibility on the part of people who have,
> by virtue of their positions, been given incredible power. This is the
> time for those
On 20/Mar/20 17:00, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Perhaps if more entities tried to be responsible instead of entitled,
> the Internet wouldn't be as bad as it is?
I half agree with your last sentence.
More entities don't need to be entitled (which I don't think Netflix
are, to be clear), but they
On 20/Mar/20 16:15, Mike Hammett wrote:
> It's one of those most important things that matters.
>
> The end user likely won't notice the difference between 4k and 720p.
> They also aren't likely to notice the transition from one to the other.
>
> The person on the VPN, VoIP call, video
On 20/Mar/20 15:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services
> that aren't as adaptable.
I think that's case specific on the type of network you have built, and
whether your feed your customers Netflix content with on on-site OCA or
via an
On 20/Mar/20 15:51, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Why in the world would they do that?
>
> Maybe waive the fees for the higher services, but you're not entitled
> to anything more than that.
Users will pay for value.
If users don't see value, they will respond accordingly.
Mark.
On 20/Mar/20 15:32, Blake Hudson wrote:
>
>
> Across several eyeball networks I'm not seeing any noticeable increase
> in peak (95%) demand between now and January. Since Netflix
> automatically scales down data rates in the event of congestion, the
> only thing I foresee forcing Netflix to
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:00:15AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Because they're trying to be a responsible Internet citizen instead of just
> telling everyone else to bugger off.
>
>
> Perhaps if more entities tried to be responsible instead of entitled, the
> Internet wouldn't be as bad as
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On Friday, 20 March, 2020 07:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
>Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services
>that aren't as adaptable.
Can you explain why you thi
On Friday, 20 March, 2020 07:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
>Some of the pipes Netflix goes through is also used by other services
>that aren't as adaptable.
Can you explain why you think that is Netflix problem?
I should think that it is a problem being experienced by persons who
deliberately
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On 3/19/2020 12:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
> On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the
>> next month or two.
> Well, the article clai
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On Thursday, 19 March, 2020 10:07, Matt Hoppes
wrote:
>Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the next
>month or two.
As long as N
On 3/19/2020 12:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the
next month or two.
Well, the article claims "Drop stream quality from HD". That means 4K,
1080p and 720p.
If you have an OCA on your network,
On 20/Mar/20 09:19, Mel Beckman wrote:
> I don’t think Netflix has any quality guarantees. So you’re SOL if you think
> there is some kind of legal recourse. I’d argue that 50% pay for 50% quality
> is illogical anyway. HD is 25% the quality of 4K. Yet you get virtually all
> of the value
I don’t think Netflix has any quality guarantees. So you’re SOL if you think
there is some kind of legal recourse. I’d argue that 50% pay for 50% quality is
illogical anyway. HD is 25% the quality of 4K. Yet you get virtually all of the
value of the content, with only a sight reduction in
On Thursday, 19 March, 2020 10:07, Matt Hoppes
wrote:
>Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the next
>month or two.
As long as NetFlix lowers their prices proportionately with their reduced level
of service. For example, if NetFlix decides they will only provide
Noticing a few major ISPs not peering with other major networks at their local
IXs, instead taking cross country trips. I am sure this isn't helping
congestion right now and I have heard from some people it is really affecting
their remote users. People in the same city with 80ms-100ms
I don’t agree with your reading of this that applies downstream congestion
issues to your TSP codes circuit. But I will not continue to debate the
point.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 13:22 Mike Bolitho wrote:
> *Restoration:*
>
> *The repair or returning to service of one or more telecommunications
On 19/Mar/20 18:49, Jeff Shultz wrote:
> A few more Netflix cache boxes might be nice. We've got one only 1 hop
> away and I think we're keeping it busy.
Consumers follow what they perceive as value. They gave up on Command &
Control tendencies of old.
Mark.
On 19/Mar/20 18:53, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> I've said it over and over again, we have TSP and it could easily be
> used to enforce priority to emergency preparedness customers. It's
> built into the language.
Command & Control, promoted by "policy makers" who "do not see the shift".
You can't
*Restoration:*
*The repair or returning to service of one or more telecommunications
services that have experienced a service outage or are unusable for any
reason, including a damaged or impaired telecommunications facility. Such
repair or returning to service may be done by patching, rerouting,
On 19/Mar/20 18:07, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the
> next month or two.
Well, the article claims "Drop stream quality from HD". That means 4K,
1080p and 720p.
If you have an OCA on your network, how does this encourage consumers to
use
On 19/Mar/20 18:05, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> I was getting blasted earlier for suggesting streaming services and
> gaming DLCs could likely be slowed by government intervention. EU is
> currently working with Netflix to do just that. It's currently a
> strong suggestion and even a plead but I
Yes, you have said that. I still believe you are incorrect.
TSP allows priority for turnup of new capacity , and priority restoration
for capacity. There is nothing in the regulations that I can find that
would allow TSP to be used to rectify general internet congestion issues.
On Thu, Mar 19,
I've said it over and over again, we have TSP and it could easily be used
to enforce priority to emergency preparedness customers. It's built into
the language.
- Mike Bolitho
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:52 AM Tom Beecher wrote:
> EU regulations with such things are vastly different than in the
EU regulations with such things are vastly different than in the US.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:08 PM Mike Bolitho wrote:
> I was getting blasted earlier for suggesting streaming services and gaming
> DLCs could likely be slowed by government intervention. EU is currently
> working with Netflix
A few more Netflix cache boxes might be nice. We've got one only 1 hop
away and I think we're keeping it busy.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:11 AM Matt Hoppes
wrote:
>
> Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the next
> month or two.
>
> On 3/19/20 12:05 PM, Mike Bolitho
Agreed... 720 or 1080 Netflix will work just as fine as 4K for the next
month or two.
On 3/19/20 12:05 PM, Mike Bolitho wrote:
I was getting blasted earlier for suggesting streaming services and
gaming DLCs could likely be slowed by government intervention. EU is
currently working with
I was getting blasted earlier for suggesting streaming services and gaming
DLCs could likely be slowed by government intervention. EU is currently
working with Netflix to do just that. It's currently a strong suggestion
and even a plead but I maintain that we're going to see this pushed harder
in
On 19/Mar/20 04:35, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
>
> We do about 70-80Gbps at peak over the external
> BGP links we have and I am not seeing a large
> increase nor am I seeing it spread out over time.
> We're an eyeball network plus some really large
> customers.
>
> Anyone else seeing something
On 18/Mar/20 17:40, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> Yes, it is generally an USian problem. While I cannot speak to its
> prevelance in the US I can attest to the fact that USians try to bring
> this philosophy with them were ever they go and that such thinking has
> to be repelled with large bats.
No
Some VPN issues reported at my organisation as well
Mygroup has some members who cant join, so everyone else goes out, make
groups on other platforms, which I hope scale.
Le 19/03/2020 à 08:18, Matt Hoppes a écrit :
Our traffic is normally about 1/3 during the day of what it is at
night
Our traffic is normally about 1/3 during the day of what it is at night
(6pm-midnight).
Since Monday the only change I've seen is that traffic goes to about 1/2
peak around 10am and stays there until about 6pm.
So no capacity concerns
We have been fielding a ridiculous amount of "my
We do about 70-80Gbps at peak over the external
BGP links we have and I am not seeing a large
increase nor am I seeing it spread out over time.
We're an eyeball network plus some really large
customers.
Anyone else seeing something different? We're
now into the 3rd day, so I thought I'd
I saw on TV official requests to police radio to remove masks (Idont
know why, because they dont have any anyways)
Le 18/03/2020 à 16:29, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 17/Mar/20 20:54, Dan White wrote:
Attackers taking advantage of this situation is a serious concern.
In South Africa, we
On 18/Mar/20 18:09, Jeff Shultz wrote:
> Is it so difficult to put an "override, but keep counting" button on a
> device like this?
Where's the money in that?
Mark.
Is it so difficult to put an "override, but keep counting" button on a
device like this?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 8:04 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17/Mar/20 20:06, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>
> > I don’t get this… X-Ray machines (and other critical medical equipment)
> > should operate in a
On 03/18/20 09:29 -0500, Blake Hudson wrote:
On 3/17/2020 1:54 PM, Dan White wrote:
On 03/17/20 14:38 -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:38:28AM -0700, Mike Bolitho wrote:
That's the good news. Here's the bad news: in about 2-3 weeks, when
our health care systems are
On 18/Mar/20 16:35, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>
> Do all the SLA's in the world even matter if the contract has a force
> majeure clause?
Feel-good-tick-in-the-box type-thing... like that time a network
operator is asked if any part of their network/service touches any
equipment manufactured by
On 18/Mar/20 13:24, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> The use of "you/your" here and throughout is misplaced and inappropriate.
>
> Also: this not an isolated or unique experience. It's this way pretty
> much everywhere in the US now. And I can disapprove of it, you can
> disapprove of it, we can all
On 18/Mar/20 11:43, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> No. One simply has to assign a "cost" to "suitability for use". For
> example, if you put out an RFQ for a CT Machine and someone bids a bag
> of peanuts for $1.50, that is probably the lowest bid, and that is what
> you will get if you choose based
On Wednesday, 18 March, 2020 05:24, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 03:43:37AM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>> So you failed because you did not require the person making the
>> decision to take responsibility for their decision. That is, your
>> organization has a severely
On 17/Mar/20 23:47, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> Decisions are no longer based on the greater good or on anticipating worst
> case scenarios or on maximizing preparedness or anything that we might
> hope they're based on. They're based, coldly and calculatingly, on money.
>
> If you want this to
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17/Mar/20 20:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> Step one:
>> Consumers _AND_ especially mission critical consumers must start
>> refusing to purchase devices which have inherent dependency on a
>> vendor-cloud (or any cloud for
On 17/Mar/20 20:54, Dan White wrote:
>
>
> Attackers taking advantage of this situation is a serious concern.
In South Africa, we have people claiming to be from the Department of
Health and one other reputable medical care group, going door-to-door
offering Coronavirus testing:
On 17/Mar/20 20:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Step one:
> Consumers _AND_ especially mission critical consumers must start
> refusing to purchase devices which have inherent dependency on a
> vendor-cloud (or any cloud for that matter).
Good advice for mission-critical consumers.
But the kids
On 17/Mar/20 20:33, Emille Blanc wrote:
> In a world where you can license device performance by the megabit/sec/day,
> or even have to purchase per-use factory reset keys since the manufacture has
> stripped product owners of that right too, this doesn't totally surprise me.
>
> There would
On 17/Mar/20 20:26, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Because the hospitals don't own the machines and the companies that
> do, charge the hospital per x-ray. The hospitals moved to this model
> to reduce their costs during "quiet" periods. And by doing so, put
> their patients in jeopardy.
Can be said
On 17/Mar/20 20:06, Owen DeLong wrote:
> I don’t get this… X-Ray machines (and other critical medical equipment)
> should operate in a fail-safe mode where a license screw up doesn’t prevent
> the machine from operating.
>
> If the hospital hasn’t paid up, find a way to go after the
On 17/Mar/20 19:56, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> I buy newspaper every Saturday and every Tuesday since some time now.
> In addition to local news and The Economist, I include NYTimes
> International edition because thats the only USA thing in my very
> small local news stand in small
On 17/Mar/20 19:46, Mike Bolitho wrote:
>
> I totally agree and 99.999% of the time, congestion on the Internet is
> a nuisance, not a critical problem. I'm not sitting here complaining
> that my public internet circuits don't have SLAs or that we run into
> some packet loss and latency here
On 17/Mar/20 19:43, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> If by "device" you mean "computer", then you are correct.
"A computer? What's that?" said the kids :-).
> Never in 57 years.
You caught it early :-).
> Never because I don't have any. But I don't either. Babbling idiots don't
> do anything
Depends on the verbiage of the clause.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:41 AM Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/17/20 10:03 AM, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> >
> > We have two redundant private lines out of each hospital connecting back
> > to primary and DR DCs and a metro connecting everything together in each
>
On 3/17/20 10:03 AM, Mike Bolitho wrote:
We have two redundant private lines out of each hospital connecting back
to primary and DR DCs and a metro connecting everything together in each
region. But for things we do not own that are not hosted locally, what
are we supposed to do? We have to
On 17/Mar/20 19:35, Tom Beecher wrote:
> You're facing essentially the same issue as many in non-healthcare do
> ; how to best talk to applications in Magic Cloud Land. Reaching the
> major cloud providers does not require DIA ; they all have presences
> on the major IXes, and direct peering
On 3/17/2020 1:54 PM, Dan White wrote:
On 03/17/20 14:38 -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:38:28AM -0700, Mike Bolitho wrote:
Anybody who works in the healthcare vertical will tell you just how
bad medical devices are to work with from an IT perspective.
Medical
On 17/Mar/20 19:03, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> I keep seeing this over and over again in this long thread. What's
> your suggestion? How does a hospital, with dozens of third party
> applications/devices across multiple cloud platforms do this?
>
> We have two redundant private lines out of each
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 03:43:37AM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> So you failed because you did not require the person making the decision
> to take responsibility for their decision. That is, your organization
> has a severely flawed process wherein the "R" for making the decision is
> not the
On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 15:48, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:35:59AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Anything in the healthcare vertical that is outside of the medical
>> providers control/ownership is a result of the medical provider
>> buying into that model on some level.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:43:45 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said:
> And before you ask, I get "important news" directly.
I'm glad to hear you're someplace on the planet where covid-19
doesn't count as important news. Hopefully the news will arrive
to you directly before the virus does.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:35:59AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Anything in the healthcare vertical that is outside of the medical
> providers control/ownership is a result of the medical provider
> buying into that model on some level. STOP DOING THAT. (How am I
> suddenly reminded of the old
Join an IX your provider is on?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Mike Bolitho"
To: "Tom Beecher"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:03:4
On 03/17/20 14:38 -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:38:28AM -0700, Mike Bolitho wrote:
Anybody who works in the healthcare vertical will tell you just how
bad medical devices are to work with from an IT perspective.
Medical devices are appallingly bad to work with from an
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:43 , Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 03:31, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>> On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>>> For up to date local information, check with the local public health
>>> authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:38:28AM -0700, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> Anybody who works in the healthcare vertical will tell you just how
> bad medical devices are to work with from an IT perspective.
Medical devices are appallingly bad to work with from an IT perspective.
They're designed and built
On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 11:04, Mike Bolitho wrote:
>>The answer is don't shove application traffic that has tight service
>>level requirements onto the public internet at large and expect the same
>>performance as private circuits or other SLA protected services.
>I keep seeing this over
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:03 , Mike Bolitho wrote:
>
> >The answer is don't shove application traffic that has tight service level
> >requirements onto the public internet at large and expect the same
> >performance as private circuits or other SLA protected services.
>
> I keep seeing this
Le 17/03/2020 à 19:26, Owen DeLong a écrit :
On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:41 , Alexandre Petrescu
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
This simply isn’t true…
Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who
specialize in
le guys, but beyond that...
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:06 AM
To: Mark Tinka
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:20 , Mark Tinka wrote:
>
&
Because the hospitals don't own the machines and the companies that do,
charge the hospital per x-ray. The hospitals moved to this model to reduce
their costs during "quiet" periods. And by doing so, put their patients in
jeopardy.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:07 PM Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>
> > On
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:41 , Alexandre Petrescu
> wrote:
>
>
>> On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>>> This simply isn’t true…
>>>
>>> Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who
>>> specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.
>
> YEs listen to them.
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:20 , Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 16/Mar/20 16:54, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>
>> I recently had to reschedule an X-ray because the license manager for the
>> X-ray machine was acting up. I don’t think people have a grasp for how much
>> of the medical
Le 17/03/2020 à 18:43, Keith Medcalf a écrit :
On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 03:31, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
For up to date local information, check with the local public health
authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
be your county public
>You're facing essentially the same issue as many in non-healthcare do ;
how to best talk to applications in Magic Cloud Land. Reaching the major
cloud providers does not require DIA ; they all have presences on the major
IXes, and direct peering could be an option too depending on your needs and
On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 03:31, Mark Tinka wrote:
>On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> For up to date local information, check with the local public health
>> authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
>> be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual
You're facing essentially the same issue as many in non-healthcare do ; how
to best talk to applications in Magic Cloud Land. Reaching the major cloud
providers does not require DIA ; they all have presences on the major IXes,
and direct peering could be an option too depending on your needs and
>The answer is don't shove application traffic that has tight service level
requirements onto the public internet at large and expect the same
performance as private circuits or other SLA protected services.
I keep seeing this over and over again in this long thread. What's your
suggestion? How
The answer is don't shove application traffic that has tight service level
requirements onto the public internet at large and expect the same
performance as private circuits or other SLA protected services.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mike Bolitho wrote:
> If an x-ray machine won't work
On 17/Mar/20 17:38, Mike Bolitho wrote:
>
> Totally agree with you. Unfortunately it's not a problem with the
> medical providers, it's a problem with the medical devices. Anybody
> who works in the healthcare vertical will tell you just how bad
> medical devices are to work with from an IT
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