Hello,
Good morning.
I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of Central Florida. I have a query, I
hope you can help me with it or at least point me to the right direction.
I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/
Mostly Inbound or Balanced or Heavy/ Mostly Outbound
If you're asking an ISP, consumers will always be inbound. It's the end
user. The outbound would be where the information is coming from, like
data centers.
I'm not sure you're going to get any better answer without a more specific
question.
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-234
It kinda depends on the application that's being used. For example, videogaming
has a ratio somewhere around 1:2.5 since you're only transmitting metadata
about the players environment across the wire. The actual video is typically
rendered at the end user's side. So it's not very bandwidth heav
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:50 AM Prasun Dey wrote:
> I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of Central Florida. I have a query,
I hope you can help me with it or at least point me to the right direction.
> I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as
Heavy/ Mostly Inbound or
I run an eyeballs/isp network for about ~50,000 subscribers, and I see about
1:10 ratio at peak time. Last night ~4.5 gbps out, ~45 gbps in. But, I do
have local caching of 4 big name cdn cache providers, so that might alter the
1:10 ratio I see on my actual inet links (which do not include th
>my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim
itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)
Maybe I'm missing something but it's as simple as looking at the interface
graphs. We see a whole lot of green for inbound and a little little blue
line for outbound.
as a PeeringDB
label.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman"
To: "Prasun Dey"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:23:33 PM
Subject: Re
I’m heavy inbound. Which I think is characteristic of a stub-AS with lots of
resi/busi bb ... no transit… just a lot of people looking at stuff.
Inbound is of course from the perspective of traffic coming into my AS
-Aaron
Pure ISP is heavy inbound. Pure hosting is heavy outbound.
The other categories are for people that have both types of business or who
sell transit to both types of business. You are being asked what kind you
are most.
Regards
Baldur
ons. 19. jun. 2019 18.50 skrev Prasun Dey :
> Hello,
> Good
Hello,
Many years ago I read somewhere that the ratio between inbound &
outbound traffic we used to see at that time was going to change in the
future, the reasons they mentioned at that time was because the
applications would change their behavior, things like: Dropbox, Gdrive
and others would
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:05:40 -0400, Prasun Dey said:
> Iâve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/
> Mostly Inbound or Balanced or Heavy/ Mostly Outbound.
> Iâm wondering if there is any specific ratio numbers for them
If they're an ISP that sells to end user c
* na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Wed 19 Jun 2019, 23:19 CEST]:
PeeringDB has categories of ratios to choose from. What has the
community decided is acceptable ratios for each category? It's
fairly trivial for any network to determine what their ratio is
as a number, but not necessarily as a P
Hi Martijn and Josh,
Thank you for your detailed explanation. Let me explain my requirement so that
you may help me better.
According to PeeringDB, Charter (Access), Sprint (Transit), Amazon (Content)
all three of them are ‘Balanced’. While, Cable One, an Access ISP says it is
Heavy Inbound, whi
Hi William,
Ha ha! Thanks for pointing that out. I’m not related to any ISP at all, so this
is something new. I understand, PeeringDB is just a basic guideline and ISPs
put their own information about their traffic ratios. I’m interested to know
whether ISPs check their own accumulated traffic
Josh,
That’s great. I’m assuming your traffic is mainly inbound. So, my question is,
do you have a threshold that defines your traffic ratio type.
I’m taking an example from this thread. Say, your average incoming traffic is
~45 gbps, and outgoing traffic is ~4.5 gbps. So, your outbound:inbound
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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:24 PM
To: Prasun Dey
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
>my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim its
Thank you Aaron,
This is great. This gives an interesting insight regarding CDN as they seem to
play a big role here. However, in general, what do you call your ISP as? A
'Heavy Inbound' or 'Mostly Inbound'? Is there any community standard about this
ratio (having 1:10 or higher) to be treated
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> On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Knopps, Brian wrote:
>
>
>
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: Prasun Dey
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject:
L;DR - There are no hard numbers to give you, it just depends how someone
feels that day of the week when setting it.
Hope this helps.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:08 PM
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Thank you Aaron for confirming that. This is helpful.
-
Prasun
Regards,
Prasun Kanti Dey
Ph.D. Candidate,
Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering,
University of Central Florida
web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/
> On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Aaron Gould wrote:
>
> I’m h
eneral if connecting to
> them.
>
> TL;DR - There are no hard numbers to give you, it just depends how someone
> feels that day of the week when setting it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> From: Prasun Dey [mailto:pra...@nevada.unr.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, Ju
You’re right on that, Baldur. I’m aware of this, but my focus is to know
whether there are any exact numbers that community has agreed on.
Thank you for your reply.
Regards,
Prasun Kanti Dey
Ph.D. Candidate,
Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering,
University of Central Florida
web: https://p
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- Original Message -
From: "Prasun Dey"
To: "Josh Luthman"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:42:38 PM
Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
Josh,
That’s great. I’m assuming your traffic is mainly inbound. So,
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:21 PM Steller, Anthony J
wrote:
> because it really don’t matter in the whole scheme of things.
Indeed, it doesn't matter. The "traffic ratio" field in PeeringDB
probably should be deprecated, there is no formal definition nor is
are there any operational consequences to
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:20:37 -0400, Prasun Dey said:
> So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim
> itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)? From an ISPâs
> own
> point of view, at what point, it says, my outbound:inbound is something, so
> Iâ
On 19/Jun/19 23:30, Steller, Anthony J wrote:
>
>
> TL;DR - There are no hard numbers to give you, it just depends how
> someone feels that day of the week when setting it.
>
Not surprising if some use it as a way to separate peers that have the
stamina from those that don't :-).
For those t
On 6/20/19 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The problem you're running into, Prasun, is that people either aren't
actually reading what you're saying or have poor comprehension skills.
Very few people are directly addressing what you're asking.
A good question would be, who actually cares about r
On 20/Jun/19 16:46, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>
> A good question would be, who actually cares about ratios in the year
> 2019? Does anyone still calculate them and use them to decide
> anything? If so, why does it matter?
We never have.
I find the exercise pointless. In fact, more than 90% of
n Dey
>Sent: Wednesday, 19 June, 2019 14:58
>To: Aaron Gould
>Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
>
>Thank you Aaron,
>This is great. This gives an interesting insight regarding CDN as
>they seem to play a big role here. However, in general, what do you
>
sday, 19 June, 2019 15:33
>To: Mike Hammett
>Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
>
>Thank you, Mike.
>From an outsider, I don’t have any information of an ISP’s traffic
>numbers. And this may be confidential unless we are using any
>measuremen
Thanks Valdis for mentioning the classifications. I’ve used ISPs as generic
word. But, you’re right, it’d be better if I had distinguished the CPs, ISPs or
the Transits specifically. However, thanks to the community, they’ve understood
and provided me some really helpful answers.
-
Prasun
Reg
o: "Josh Luthman"
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:42:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
>
> Josh,
> That’s great. I’m assuming your traffic is mainly inbound. So, my question
> is, do you have a threshold that defines your traffic ra
Hi Job,
While doing some study, I recently came across this
https://drpeering.net/white-papers/The-Folly-Of-Peering-Ratios.html
This discussion was from from a Nanog meeting that took place a long time ago.
This made me interested to know whether there is some actual numbers behind
those Peering
Thanks Valdis for clarifying this. Based on this thread discussion, I’m getting
this understanding as well.
-
Prasun
Regards,
Prasun Kanti Dey
Ph.D. Candidate,
Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering,
University of Central Florida
web: https://prasunkantidey.github.io/portfolio/
> On Jun 2
;
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Prasun Dey
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 June, 2019 15:33
>> To: Mike Hammett
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: Traffic ratio of an ISP
>>
>> Thank you, Mi
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:16:03 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said:
> Having an inbound:outbound ration of 10:1 is known as a leech ...
Just remember that without "leech" networks like Comcast, everybody who's
selling transit to content providers would be having a hard sell indeed.
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I think that was a BitTorrent reference.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 8:17 PM Valdis Klētnieks
wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 10:16:03 -0600, "Keith Medcalf" said:
> > Having an inbound:outbound ration of 10:1 is known as a leech ...
>
> Just remember that without "leech" networks like Comcast, everybody
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