Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-10 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 06:20:54AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything that we can do to see a productive community meeting, a thoughtful election, and meetings with the SC, PC and MLC that lead to a better NANOG. Quite frankly, if you are one of the uninitiated, and that

2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On 9 Oct 2007, at 16:19, Joe Abley wrote: On 9-Oct-2007, at 1053, Stephen Wilcox wrote: i think the SC should review the idea of 2 meetings per year tho, maybe that will bring focus and relevance. can i ask you to take it to your next SC meeting? I will not be on the SC after NANOG 41,

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 04:42:42PM +0100, Stephen Wilcox wrote: On 9 Oct 2007, at 16:19, Joe Abley wrote: On 9-Oct-2007, at 1053, Stephen Wilcox wrote: i think the SC should review the idea of 2 meetings per year tho, maybe that will bring focus and relevance. can i ask you to

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Sean Figgins
Joe Abley wrote: No, there's a fixed overhead from having N x Merit FTEs doing NANOG stuff year-round, housing NANOG servers, being covered by UMich insurance, accounting, blah, blah. I'm not an accountant, as you can probably tell, but I think that's the right high-level answer. Just out

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread William B. Norton
On 10/9/07, Sean Figgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Abley wrote: No, there's a fixed overhead from having N x Merit FTEs doing NANOG stuff year-round, housing NANOG servers, being covered by UMich insurance, accounting, blah, blah. I'm not an accountant, as you can probably tell, but

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Sean Figgins
William B. Norton wrote: The big $$$ is to the hotel - $105K for 1 mtg. This is just for the conference rooms? That's a lot more expensive that I would have thought. The bottom line, I think you need a few FTEs no matter how you manage NANOG. No argument there. There will always be a

Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Don Welch, Merit Network
I've been involved with NANOG for over a year now. I have formed my opinions on how well things work or don't work and will steal my own thunder in this post. I have already charged Betty to increase the value of NANOG to Merit. I think she has taken some good steps in this direction. During

RE: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread Randy Whitney
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Welch, Merit Network Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:58 PM Cc: nanog-futures@merit.edu Subject: Re: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me] I've been involved with NANOG for over a year now. I have formed my opinions on how well things

RE: 2 meetings / budgets [Re: mlc files formal complaint against me]

2007-10-09 Thread michael.dillon
Anything that we can do to see a productive community meeting, a thoughtful election, and meetings with the SC, PC and MLC that lead to a better NANOG. Quite frankly, if you are one of the uninitiated, and that includes the managers that decide whether or not to fund someone's travel to a