Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread michael.dillon
Having said that, providing its just the main plenary then sure give it a go - why not try a 1/2 day in the next nanog and then collect the feedback after to see how it went. Essentially, this suggestion is just one form of a blended solution to the issue, i.e. a blend of connectivity and

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread Pete Templin
Alan Clegg wrote: I understand why it's annoying... and it is disrespectful to the speaker. Nothing like being the guy standing up there and 1/2 of the audience not paying attention. I'd rather they not show up at all. But there's nothing like being the guy (or gal) walking up to present,

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread Pete Templin
Stephen Wilcox wrote: Having said that, providing its just the main plenary then sure give it a go - why not try a 1/2 day in the next nanog and then collect the feedback after to see how it went. Suggestion: if you're serious about considering this, announce your intentions before

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread vijay gill
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let this be a vote for *no* on shutting off net access. It's not really an either/or situation. There are ways to have both, and, as we both pointed out, there are good reasons why speakers should not assume that room full of

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread Mike Hughes
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, vijay gill wrote: In short, instead of coercive action, how about the presenters learn to be more relevant, interesting, or fun. I'll second that, and the whole pressure-release valve theory, Vijay, and therefore (even if this isn't a vote) this is a no to shutting off

[Nanog-futures] Rudeness because presenters suck.

2008-07-15 Thread Alan Clegg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Hughes wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, vijay gill wrote: In short, instead of coercive action, how about the presenters learn to be more relevant, interesting, or fun. I'll second that [...] If I were ever asked to present at NANOG and I

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread Andy Davidson
On 15 Jul 2008, at 16:45, Mike Hughes wrote: People with their laptop open aren't the problem. My 2[c|p] I agree with Mike, many engineering staff are only permitted to attend the meetings on the basis that operational emergencies can be covered during conferences. Taking the conference

Re: [Nanog-futures] Rudeness because presenters suck.

2008-07-15 Thread vijay gill
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Alan Clegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Hughes wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, vijay gill wrote: In short, instead of coercive action, how about the presenters learn to be more relevant, interesting, or fun.

Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-15 Thread Randy Bush
If what you say is worthwhile and engaging, they'll listen again, what keeps the cows in the pasture is the quality of the grass not the size of the fence. randy, who has seen a bull walk through a fence without noticing it ___ Nanog-futures mailing

Re: [Nanog-futures] Rudeness because presenters suck.

2008-07-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM, vijay gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Alan Clegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AlanC {Dale Carnegie trained speaker, presenter, relevant, interesting and fun guy that had thought about presenting at NANOG, but won't now} I'm