Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Jonathan Peakall
I've done a fair bit of toner transfer PCB action and when it works well it's great. But I found it tough to make it come out consistantly and small traces were tough. I started using pre-sensitized boards and photo etching. More work but better results. Contact me off list if you want my curr

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Smiffy
On Friday, March 22, 2013 5:59:43 AM UTC+10:30, Sebastian Götte wrote: > > I tend to just let my sodium persulfate solution dry and crystallize > when I am not using it, you just re-add water and dissolve the crystals > by stirring and you can use it again. > That's handy to know. I'll definit

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Sebastian Götte
On 03/21/2013 08:16 PM, Smiffy wrote: > One other note on persulphates - ammonium persulphate is very hygroscopic. > I had a 2.5kg tub, which I found to be useless when I went to it the other > week. Whilst the tub itself was polypropylene, the lid was made of some > other plastic that had decid

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Smiffy
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:10:44 PM UTC+10:30, mikegregg wrote: > > I switched to sodium/potassium persulfate a while back myself. It was a > good switch. Just make sure it's nice and warm. I typically heat mine to > 110-120f before I start etching. The higher heat makes for cleaner traces,

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread GastonP
Hey, great tip, that one! If you use FeCl3 then get some oxalic acid as well to clean up after... > > :) > > Grahame > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Grahame Marsh
I've always used a mega bubble tank so I have no comparison to make. I just change the bath when the etch times start to rise. The made up solution is supposed to have a life of about 1 - 2 months and the crystals over a year. But I wonder if that is for commercial manufacturing rather than

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread michael gregg
I switched to sodium/potassium persulfate a while back myself. It was a good switch. Just make sure it's nice and warm. I typically heat mine to 110-120f before I start etching. The higher heat makes for cleaner traces, and a faster etch. Michael- On 3/21/2013 12:17 AM, Nick wrote: I've swi

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-21 Thread Nick
I've switched to Sodium Persulfate rather than FeCl for much the same reason - much cleaner and less toxic. However, I have a Mega Electronics bubble tank and when I asked their technical support about its safety in a tank designed for FeCl, they said that the aeration would shorten the life of

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-20 Thread Grahame Marsh
Hey, no offense taken, one of the nice things about this list is the broad range of interests and skills that exist - not just electronics None of the chemicals are particulary hazardous, but I would echo the suggestion of NOT using FeCl3 - I had an accident once and SHMBO was, shall we say,

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-20 Thread Nicholas Stock
No offense intended Grahame! I'm an Organic Chemist, so I know a few things about chemicals too..;-) Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to check it out, just not familiar with the whole process and thought I'd ask 'those in the know' Cheers, Nick On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Grahame Marsh

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-20 Thread Grahame Marsh
Well I'm a chemical engineer so should I be better with the process & chemicals? This is a link to my top dozen home made PCB tips https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/jUUlqV-avvM/4JgBIFcBBtEJ You can see my results on my electronics webpages http://www.sgitheach.org.uk/electronic

Re: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-20 Thread Spencer
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there. I'd like to be able to make some of my own PCB's using the toner transfer method. Can anyone recommend a good starting product/kit that they like? An

[neonixie-l] Question for all you electronic engineers out there.

2013-03-20 Thread Nicholas Stock
I'd like to be able to make some of my own PCB's using the toner transfer method. Can anyone recommend a good starting product/kit that they like? Any tips, tricks to help a newbie get started? Thanks in advance... Cheers, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo