[neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-26 Thread michael ohara
Hewlett-Packard ran tests, and found that the flux left on the board protected the board from corrosion. Some vintage HP boards are actually coated with flux (Boards from the late nixie-early IC era) On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:51:01 PM UTC-8, westdave wrote: I have a IN-18 clock in a

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-20 Thread JohnK
- From: David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot There are two types of solder flux. The old rosin-core flux is inert. The newer organic flux is corrosive

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-20 Thread Nick
On Saturday, 20 December 2014 16:18:47 UTC, johnk wrote: Iso-propyl is/was called rubbing alcohol [and used as such in the sports industry]. Rubbing Alcohol can be either 70% IPA or 70% ethyl alcohol (ethanol) which has been denatured. The formulation is up to the individual manufacturer.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread Nick
if using Isopropyl alcohol, aka IPA, make sure you do it in a well ventilated area. IPA will give you a blinding/pounding headache and is not nice stuff. .. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread David Forbes
There are two types of solder flux. The old rosin-core flux is inert. The newer organic flux is corrosive and would result in the sort of damage described in this clock. It needs to be washed off in hot water soon after use. On 12/18/14 9:39 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote: The solder flux

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread Nicholas Stock
I quite like the smell of IPA, but then again I'm a chemist, so I would..;-) As solvents go, it's fairly innocuous, but poison is always in the dose, so Nick makes a good point, use it in a well ventilated area. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: if using

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread Instrument Resources of America
I've been sniffing it for years, and there's nothing wrong with, wrong with, wrong with, wrong with, me!! Ira. On 12/19/2014 3:24 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote: I quite like the smell of IPA, but then again I'm a chemist, so I would..;-) As solvents go, it's fairly innocuous, but poison is

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread gregebert
I prefer the aerosol flux-removal solvents (ethanol rather than isopropyl), but I found that simply spraying the board is NOT sufficient; you need to scrub the board before the solvent evaporates. Cotton swabs are effective, but they leave annoying fibers on the board. Rinsing the solvent+flux

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread Instrument Resources of America
As others have already mentioned, the Isopropyl Alcohol and a toothbrush do work quite well. More Isopropyl in a spray bottle, can then be used to flush it all away. Leaves it nice and clean.Ira. On 12/19/2014 3:47 PM, gregebert wrote: I prefer the aerosol flux-removal solvents (ethanol

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-19 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 14-12-19 06:47 PM, gregebert wrote: Years ago Radio Shack sold an excellent aerosol flux remover, but it's no longer available. I used it on several boards and it rinsed-away all of the flux without leaving any residue. Probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1-Trichloroethane

[neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-18 Thread Dman777
I would like to know also if the cottage cheese corrosion look would be from solder-flux, also. I have a Z5660 Nixie clock from PV Electronics that Pete soldered together. It's an excellent clock and I love it, but Pete left a ton of solder-flux on it and I have yet to remove it myself.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-18 Thread Nicholas Stock
The solder flux won't do anything untoward in my experience. I still have amplifiers I put together over 25 years ago without cleaning the flux off them and they work fine...if it bothers you so much, take the tubes out and the PCB from the case and get an old toothbrush, some isopropyl alcohol

[neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread gregebert
I wonder if corrosive solder-flux was used. Did you see any telltale residue with a greenish tint ? Was the damage confined to areas around electrolytic caps ? They do contain corrosive electrolyte and can fail over time. The only other thing I can think of, and this is a long-shot, is ozone.

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread Tidak Ada
-l@googlegroups.com Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot I wonder if corrosive solder-flux was used. Did you see any telltale residue with a greenish tint ? Was the damage confined to areas around electrolytic caps ? They do contain corrosive electrolyte and can fail over

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread robin bussell
On 16/12/2014 15:33, gregebert wrote: I wonder if corrosive solder-flux was used. Did you see any telltale residue with a greenish tint ? Was the damage confined to areas around electrolytic caps ? They do contain corrosive electrolyte and can fail over time. Also any Nicad backup battery can

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread taylorjpt
Aluminum and Lead and Tin all have different electrode potentials and will corrode when in direct contact. When not in direct contact, the slightest condensation of atmospheric water forms an electrolyte which then attracts and holds more water due to the increased surface area and surface

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread Tidak Ada
december 2014 19:35 To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot Aluminum and Lead and Tin all have different electrode potentials and will corrode when in direct contact. When not in direct contact, the slightest condensation of atmospheric water

[neonixie-l] Re: KLOK K7 broken from corrosive rot

2014-12-16 Thread Sir Melon
Might be a good idea to keep it somewhere safer, fires and electricity... Hopefully the looks of it won't be damaged! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email