Re: [NetBehaviour] Positive, Critique, Jam, Troll, anxd "Sea Lioning"

2015-03-05 Thread mez breeze
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Patrick Lichty wrote: > I see a continuum of positions that are > potentially constructive and disruptive, ones I call the positive, > critical, > jamming, and negation/troll. > "The negative troll engages in deliberately illegal and/or damaging and disruptive beh

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project

2015-03-05 Thread BishopZ
I had a dream one time of teams of artists paratrooping into troubled areas - delivering theatrical re-interpretations of local mythology - explaining in local vernacular the torment that locals faced. From Ferguson to Belfast to Jerusalem they went - para-troop-theater they called it. Nullifying c

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project

2015-03-05 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, 5 Mar, 2015 at 7:42 AM, dave miller wrote: "Daniel Larimer, who is working on a tool called Bitshares to apply blockchain technology to banking, insurance and company shareholding, believes that this new breed of technologies will ultimately render government entirely obsolete. " Thi

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, 5 Mar, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Randall Packer wrote: @Ruth & @Rob, some additional ruminations on the connection between Net practice, the Happenings & the 1960s in general: With the Internet & social media, like the Happenings, there are opportunities for collective participation, distribut

[NetBehaviour] For Howard Guttenplan, rest in peace

2015-03-05 Thread Alan Sondheim
For Howard Guttenplan, rest in peace http://www.alansondheim.org/forHG.jpg 2004 http://www.alansondheim.org/holler.mp4 2004 http://www.alansondheim.org/danceofdeath.mp4 2004 = mixed reals http://www.alansondheim.org/livehere4.png http://www.ala

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
@Ruth & @Rob, some additional ruminations on the connection between Net practice, the Happenings & the 1960s in general: With the Internet & social media, like the Happenings, there are opportunities for collective participation, distributed processes, real-time systems of performance, information

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread isabel brison
> if you take a broader > perspective on time + history, I think you can see that art + the artist > has in fact changed the course of cultural and political thought, time and > time again, however glacial it may occur. > > I'd really like to believe that. Can you think of specific instances? Look

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project / invisible spaces, trailing off

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
@Johannes > "(I) find the idea of artizen nation objectionable.² And so I introduce the origin of the concept of ³nation² from Wikipedia: "related to 'ethnic community' (with) a common history, elements of distinctive culture, a common territorial association, and sense of group solidarity

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread BishopZ
Quantification has splashed up on us. Technology does more than adorn us, it has fused into our skin. Abjection, despair, collective trauma - in 2007 GNN declared "the war is over. we lost." We all know that there never were any weapons of mass destruction - that systemic classism has flourished -

[NetBehaviour] sneezr taint: patrick lichty

2015-03-05 Thread michael szpakowski
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Tapestries? - Patrick Lichty Interviewed by Tilman Baumg

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
@Mab >> "tapestries wonderful metaphor for weaving the net² Yes, I agree! An age-old pre-post-Internet tradition that begin with the Jacquard Loom. Randall From: Mab MacMoragh Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 3:13 PM To: Sub

[NetBehaviour] size ten rant: dr hairy

2015-03-05 Thread michael szpakowski
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Net Art Is Zen - Randall Packer

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
@Michael: your portrait will now hang in the official archives of the US Department of Art & Technology. Thx!!! http://usdat.us/ Randall https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16539604289/in/photostream/ oil on canvas //12X9" //painted from google search // posted to Flickr ___

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
@Patrick >> "What if capitalism has become so ubiquitous that the Foucauldian system of power is so pervasive that there is nowhere to go.² I can see that it is rather futile to be an optimist on this list. However, I hang on to the notion there is power in words, power in art, power in commun

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
BishopZ > "the Internet of Things will inevitably consolidate corporate power over our personal liberty.” How so? Isn’t the Internet of Things just the idea of connecting any and all “things.” Or do you view it as part of some grand big data conspiracy to surveil our every move + our every obj

[NetBehaviour] Tapestries? - Patrick Lichty Interviewed by Tilman Baumg

2015-03-05 Thread Mab MacMoragh
patrick, tapestries wonderful metaphor for weaving the net On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send NetBehaviour mailing list submissions to > netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 14:12:43 + > From: furtherfield > To: NetBehaviour for networked

[NetBehaviour] Positive, Critique, Jam, Troll, anxd "Sea Lioning"

2015-03-05 Thread Patrick Lichty
In regards to Mez Breeze' piece on the Internet Rage Machine, I am more inclined to posit that net.rage has at least two manifestations, as Mez writes, but is not quite as pervasive as is suggested. Certainly, in many areas of the Net, rage, trolling, and "Sea-Lioning" (lest I create a very strang

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, 4 Mar, 2015 at 8:34 PM, BishopZ wrote: the Internet of Things will inevitably consolidate corporate power over our personal liberty Absolutely. Making, tracking, and acting on the data from Things is possible in direct proportion to (operating) capital. unless we implement strict

Re: [NetBehaviour] the ever-present-present

2015-03-05 Thread Patrick Lichty
I agree in being curious about the nature of future historiography. I predict that the documented history will not look anything like anyone think it will. There was a point in an essay “The Historiography of New Media” where I was speculating scholarship that would modify itself as its online

Re: [NetBehaviour] some one said something

2015-03-05 Thread Bjørn Magnhildøen
game -- Instructions: you press keys on your keyboard, which will be your actions. an action moves you forward in time (to the right). you can decide not to move forward in time, but remain where you are blinking your eye

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, 5 Mar, 2015 at 5:26 AM, ruth catlow wrote: On 04/03/15 16:19, Randall Packer wrote: It is my personal opinion that social media promises, at least in part a new look at the collective forms that emerged in the 1960s & 1970s. I don’t want to go into a

[NetBehaviour] some one said something

2015-03-05 Thread James Morris
someone said something and someone else responded and another took note. a few others noticed the note and said something in addition. the whole incident was given the name 05637595419dace7bc6217963dcc98f02a4896eb71a0e01f422ab584a9f7bff9 - meaning to say something which someone else responds to

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project / invisible spaces, trailing off

2015-03-05 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all Ruth's response to the discussion on "citizenship" on the net (following Rob, Edward and many others here in this lively debate) is intriguing, and I assumed you were seeing the notion of a place (not to speak now of a 'nation') or a "here" as deeply problematic, yes? I do, and I h

[NetBehaviour] Net Art Is Zen - Randall Packer

2015-03-05 Thread michael szpakowski
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[NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Ruth Catlow

2015-03-05 Thread michael szpakowski
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Re: [NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 2294, Issue 1

2015-03-05 Thread Anthony Stephenson
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > I'd like to put forward the word 'NetArtisans' as an alternative to > 'NetArtizens', because I don't feel like a citizen of the net, but I do > feel > like someone who takes material off the net and tries to hand-make new > artefacts out of it (if you c

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project

2015-03-05 Thread dave miller
*"Daniel Larimer, who is working on a tool called Bitshares to apply blockchain technology to banking, insurance and company shareholding, believes that this new breed of technologies will ultimately render government entirely obsolete. "* This assumes that government isn't already obsolete. I fee

Re: [NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 2294, Issue 1

2015-03-05 Thread Anthony Stephenson
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:10:35 -0600 > From: "Patrick Lichty" > To: "'NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity'" > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project > Message-ID: <010a01d05695$c0a9e560$41fdb020$@voyd.

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread helen varley jamieson
yes, i agree randall :) On 5/03/15 1:20 33PM, Randall Packer wrote: > "i mean co-authoring in a way that they can insert their own > creativity & alter/influence the work.” > > @Helen: I am still interested in the idea that social media (and that > includes this list) is in fact an intermedia

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project

2015-03-05 Thread Gill Davies
Great links, Rob. I find out more about the world we live in from netbehaviour than from anywhere else. On 5 March 2015 at 01:44, Rob Myers wrote: > On Wed, 4 Mar, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Randall Packer wrote: > > “I'm not sure I feel like a citizen of the net. …. it (citizen) > [also}] means 'A

Re: [NetBehaviour] communication minefields

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
Dear #netartizens: "Whatever the magnitude/form, online dialogues appear to be flooded with antagonistic commentary.² ­ Mez Breeze I ask this question: Are the online forums doomed to positioning, attacking, & posturing as Mez alludes, or do we have the desire or the inclination to create, b

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
> "Social medial platforms are designed by commercial companies to elicit very particular types of normalising exchange between masses of peopleŠ I don't see any general connection with mass social media usage.² @Ruth, I am complete sympathetic with the underlying premise of your position, how

[NetBehaviour] Dark Days with Ellie Harrison

2015-03-05 Thread furtherfield
Sorry for any cross posting... Dark Days with Ellie Harrison Caren Gilbert shares the experience of trying to find consensus on how we should approach life after the apocalype in the pop-up community of Ellie Harrison's "Dark Days" sleep-over at Glasgow's Gallery of Modern Art. "Lately, I have n

Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project

2015-03-05 Thread ruth catlow
Hi Edward The artisans evocation is not an accident: ) And I share your feeling of fellowship, commonness and community. There are all sorts of problems associated with taking the Net as a 'place'...however, billions of people now spend a lot of time 'here', inventing, socialising, working,

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread ruth catlow
On 04/03/15 16:19, Randall Packer wrote: It is my personal opinion that social media promises, at least in part a new look at the collective forms that emerged in the 1960s & 1970s. I don’t want to go into a full-blown lecture here (my students get enough of that), but the link between the Ha

Re: [NetBehaviour] the ever-present-present

2015-03-05 Thread That Is Repulsive
"if future generations don’t know the past, then they won’t know what to reject, they will be acting out of ignorance of what preceded them." Is that a bad thing? In the act of looking back and rejecting everything which has preceded us in the history of our discipline, Derrida would suggest a t

Re: [NetBehaviour] : schmoozing & advertising

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
"I do wonder what my life would be like if I was better at schmoozing, or at least at advertising. But then I'd have less time to make artŠ² @Rob, interestingly, for many, from Beuys to Warhol to Koons, schmoozing and advertising is integral to the work, there is no separation, it is all part

Re: [NetBehaviour] Glitch & Chance

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
"Glitch as error and glitch as a chaotic system can be situated both within archaeologies regarding improvisation and chance and within more contemporary developments regarding complexity” @Paul, this is all incredibly interesting, but I think what you were alluding to in regards to chance th

Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
"i mean co-authoring in a way that they can insert their own creativity & alter/influence the work.² @Helen: I am still interested in the idea that social media (and that includes this list) is in fact an intermedial exchange & process of co-authorship, that we are in fact, together, authorin

Re: [NetBehaviour] the ever-present-present

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
> "What future artists need to know is that they can make their own contexts beyond the given structures, shoved down their metaphorical gullets ;p-)² @Marc, true but, if future generations don¹t know the past, then they won¹t know what to reject, they will be acting out of ignorance of what p

Re: [NetBehaviour] the ever-present-present

2015-03-05 Thread Randall Packer
"but i do believe it will matter to those in the future who need to know alternative histories, just as many of us have needed to hunt out our own alternative pasts.² @Helen: Precisely, which is why I think it is the responsible thing to do to consider our networked practice as relevant not j

[NetBehaviour] Mechanisms of Exclusion: “We Are All Faceless Mobs Now, Dawg.”

2015-03-05 Thread furtherfield
Mechanisms of Exclusion: “We Are All Faceless Mobs Now, Dawg.” New article on Furtherfield by Mez Breeze. Mez Breeze examines the inner workings of our contemporary internet rage machine to identify its social and psychological causes. "Today’s online spaces are communication minefields. When in

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread Patrick Lichty
> We have to speak in order to be heard. Rhetorically speaking, being heard as voices of alterity predicates other places than we are now/alternate worlds. What if capitalism has become so ubiquitous that the Foucauldian system of power is so pervasive that there is nowhere to go. As Rita Ral

Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

2015-03-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I've only skimmed this article but it showed up on my tweet feed yesterday via R.U. Sirius https://twitter.com/StealThisSingul/status/572917180506902528 "Maidan, Caliphate, and Code: Theorizing Power and Resistance in the 21st Century" http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=741 also, I know they'