Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Andy, > > [taking on excerpt, out of context, to make a point] > > 1) As a consumer of YANG models, how do I identify the set of models that >> provide a set of functionality? How do YANG model writers ensure that their >>

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Andy, [taking on excerpt, out of context, to make a point] 1) As a consumer of YANG models, how do I identify the set of models that provide a set of functionality? How do YANG model writers ensure that their models are as easy to deal with as possible by having consistent

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi - >From: "Alexander Clemm (alex)" <a...@cisco.com> >Sent: Sep 1, 2015 2:21 PM >To: Randy Presuhn <randy_pres...@mindspring.com>, "netmod@ietf.org" ><netmod@ietf.org> >Subject: RE: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models > >Hi R

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

ships intrinsically tied to their definitions. --- Alex -Original Message- From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Presuhn Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:32 PM To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models Hi - >Fro

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>" <netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models Acee, This is going to become very interesting very quickly. Routing DT has decided to define a container for oam-protocols. LIME has decided it w

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On 08/28/2015 02:55 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: But, as I have said before, the device abstraction is really > >important - in the NMS/OSS/controller/whatever. There we have a list > >of devices, and each device has a name and meta-data and then its real > >data, so for example we can have: > >

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On 2015-08-27 22:37, Rob Shakir wrote: First off, we drew a picture [0] that showed the set of modules that we figured we might need. These break down into various bits of device functionality. To make this more accessible as something that could be shown in a draft, we expressed it in YANG

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Martin, Apologies, I switched to a new client and, wow, yes, it's not readable. I reported a bug and switched clients again... I *hope* this one is more readable (and it was when I checked last). Thank you Rob! I'll put aside questions of whether the

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Just because some people don't agree that the existing modules should be moved doesn't mean the NETMOD WG wants every module to create its own top-level node. I agree, but I would go one step further and say that just b/c we don't think that /device is a

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On 8/28/15, 9:24 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: On 8/28/15, 8:55 AM, netmod on behalf of Martin Bjorklund netmod-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of m...@tail-f.com wrote: Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Hi Martin, Thanks for the

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On 27 Aug 2015, at 19:49, Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Lada, On August 27, 2015 at 12:54:39, Ladislav Lhotka (lho...@nic.cz) wrote: We certainly need *some* structure, and since there was a requirement to support multiple routing instances, a list of them seems natural. Great,

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi Martin, Thanks for the reply. Martin Bjorklund mailto:m...@tail-f.com August 28, 2015 at 02:33 So the idea is that this structure is defined in one module, ietf-something-structure, right? And then different oam protocol modules augment this structure? How does this help you find the

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Martin, We are almost certainly not on the same page as to what we're debating. Martin Bjorklund mailto:m...@tail-f.com August 28, 2015 at 08:55 https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach Ok. So your proposal

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On Aug 27, 2015:1:59 PM, at 1:59 PM, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh mailto:r...@rob.sh wrote: Andy, Apologies, I don’t understand how your mail answers the questions that I posed. On August 27, 2015 at 12:25:20,

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi Andy, I’m struggling with this debate. On August 27, 2015 at 13:59:55, Andy Bierman (a...@yumaworks.com) wrote: Sorry -- are you suggesting that maybe /device adds no value beyond /? If so, I agree. No, I am suggesting that should understand what the alternatives to solving issues are,

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi Lada, Thanks for the reply. On August 27, 2015 at 11:21:18, Ladislav Lhotka (lho...@nic.cz) wrote: This one is actually easy to explain, exactly as the top-level container  interfaces in ietf-interfaces: it is a courtesy to XML encoding.  Apologies, I’m not sure my question was clear enough.

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi Andy, On August 27, 2015 at 14:48:58, Andy Bierman (a...@yumaworks.com) wrote: Did you really think that just because we created a nice DML that somehow you would not need to know about the topic of your YANG module? I actually have heard this complaint from some people.  Great.  How does

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Hi Andy, I’m struggling with this debate. On August 27, 2015 at 13:59:55, Andy Bierman (a...@yumaworks.com) wrote: Sorry -- are you suggesting that maybe /device adds no value beyond /? If so, I agree. No, I am suggesting

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On Aug 27, 2015:2:29 PM, at 2:29 PM, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Nadeau Thomas tnad...@lucidvision.com mailto:tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Aug 27, 2015:1:59 PM, at 1:59 PM, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com mailto:a...@yumaworks.com

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Martin, Apologies, I switched to a new client and, wow, yes, it's not readable. I reported a bug and switched clients again... I *hope* this one is more readable (and it was when I checked last). I'll put aside questions of whether the questions I'm asking are completely fair. Apologies.

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rob Shakir r...@rob.sh wrote: Hi Andy, On August 27, 2015 at 14:48:58, Andy Bierman (a...@yumaworks.com) wrote: Did you really think that just because we created a nice DML that somehow you would not need to know about the topic of your YANG module? I

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Hi Martin, BTW, are these interim meeting minutes available somewhere? This is not the first time I had to search old emails in order to find interim minutes. I just sent email to the WG chairs alias asking about this. I'm proposing that minutes for interim meetings be linked off the Minutes

Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models

Hi, 发件人: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Andy Bierman 发送时间: 2015年8月28日 0:25 收件人: Rob Shakir 抄送: netmod@ietf.org 主题: Re: [netmod] Motivations for Structuring Models On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Rob Shakir r...@rob.shmailto:r...@rob.sh wrote: NETMOD, One of the chairs encouraged