[netmod] YANG-next: Round 3

NETMOD, A group of folks are meeting tomorrow to continue reviewing the YANG-next issue tracker. In case anyone wants to join, the meeting is 9-11am US/Eastern. The Zoom link is: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84044654674?pwd=7z4Ql9u33W0edXP3RhppXfJsBr2COa.1#success Kent // contributor

[netmod] YANG-Next: Score more issues

NETMOD WG, A small group is meeting tomorrow to score YANG-next issues [0]. This is the second such meeting and, as such, will begin with Issue #51. In case anyone wants to join, please review issues >= 51beforehand. YANG-next: Score more issues Scheduled: Aug 23, 2024 at 9:00 AM

[netmod] yang-next

Hi, I still support the formation of a design team to review the yang-next issues https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues I mean a team of YANG experts that is willing to prepare for the meeting, not a conf-call with 20 people where only 3 people have bothered to review any issues. The 1.

Re: [netmod] YANG next

t; > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > Sent: 24 July 2019 14:32 > > To: Kent Watsen > > Cc: net...@ietf..org > > Subject: R

Re: [netmod] YANG next

ESTCONF/YANG document set in > future. > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > *From:* netmod *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 24 July 2019 14:32 > *To:* Kent Watsen > *Cc:* netmod@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] YANG next > > > > >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

t; > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > Sent: 24 July 2019 14:32 > To: Kent Watsen > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG next > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > > > > So

Re: [netmod] YANG next

set in future. Thanks, Rob From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 24 July 2019 14:32 To: Kent Watsen Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG next On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen mailto:k...@watsen.net>> wrote: So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the par

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Wed, 2019-07-24 at 22:37 +0200, Robert Varga wrote: > On 24/07/2019 20:32, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the parts you want to > > > > > change? ;-) >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

+1, Balazs From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2019. július 24., szerda 14:32 To: Kent Watsen Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG next On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen mailto:k...@watsen.net> > wrote: So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but ju

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On 24/07/2019 20:32, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen > wrote: > > So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the parts you want to change? ;-) >>> I am actually fine with not doing any changes to YANG 1.1 at all, >>>

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kent Watsen wrote: > > So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the parts you want to change? ;-) > > I am actually fine with not doing any changes to YANG 1.1 at all, except > perhaps > bug fixes. This doesn't necessarily mean closing the NETMOD WG, it would > I

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 07:10:23AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:52 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 02:00:29PM -0400, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > >> > > >> This problem is actually not limited to YANG itself

Re: [netmod] YANG next

>>> So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the parts you want to change? ;-) >> I am actually fine with not doing any changes to YANG 1.1 at all, except >> perhaps >> bug fixes. This doesn't necessarily mean closing the NETMOD WG, it would IMO >> be >> immensely useful to rewrite the language

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On 23/07/2019 23:43, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> So you want to work on YANG 1.2, but just the parts you want to change? ;-) > I am actually fine with not doing any changes to YANG 1.1 at all, except > perhaps > bug fixes. This doesn't necessarily mean closing the NETMOD WG, it would IMO > be > imm

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On 24/07/2019 15:51, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Despite the fact that YANG 1.1 and NMDA are undoubtedly improvements, users > may get frustrated if lazy authors (including myself) don't update their > tools in a timely manner. Well, honestly, YANG 1.1, while compatible when viewed from the perspec

Re: [netmod] YANG next

additions beyond YANG 1.1. Regards Balazs From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2019. július 24., szerda 10:10 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder ; Andy Bierman ; NETMOD WG Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG next On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:52 AM Ladislav Lhotka mailto:lho...@nic.cz> >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:52 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 02:00:29PM -0400, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> > >> This problem is actually not limited to YANG itself - people are > reporting > >> problems with the transition to NMDA. > >> > >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 02:00:29PM -0400, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >> This problem is actually not limited to YANG itself - people are reporting >> problems with the transition to NMDA. >> > > The YANG update from 1 to 1.1 mostly affected compiler writers - and

Re: [netmod] YANG next

com> 发件人： Balázs Lengyelmailto:balazs.leng...@ericsson.com>> 收件人： Rob Wilton (rwilton)mailto:rwil...@cisco.com>>;Ladislav Lhotkamailto:lho...@nic.cz>>;NETMOD WGmailto:netmod@ietf.org>> 主题： Re: [netmod] YANG next 时间： 2019-07-23 17:56:45 +1 Balazs -Original

Re: [netmod] YANG next

: netmod [netmod-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Adrian Farrel [adr...@olddog.co.uk] 发送时间: 2019年7月24日 2:14 收件人: 'Ladislav Lhotka'; 'Andy Bierman' 抄送: 'NETMOD WG' 主题: Re: [netmod] YANG next >> I hope a summary of the meeting is posted to the WG mailing list. > > I think so

Re: [netmod] YANG next

+1 Balazs -Original Message- From: netmod On Behalf Of Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: 2019. július 23., kedd 17:51 To: Ladislav Lhotka ; NETMOD WG Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG next Hi Lada, I still think that it makes sense to do YANG Next, on the assumption that it will take a couple of

Re: [netmod] YANG next

that there are quite a lot of things on that list (some of which are quite small) that would be good to do, and will help modelling efforts. Thanks, Rob -Original Message- From: netmod On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka Sent: 23 July 2019 12:03 To: NETMOD WG Subject: [netmod] YANG next Hi,

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 11:35 -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 09:22 -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > this morning I

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 09:22 -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I > was > > > somewhat misl

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 02:00:29PM -0400, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > This problem is actually not limited to YANG itself - people are reporting > problems with the transition to NMDA. > The YANG update from 1 to 1.1 mostly affected compiler writers - and to a much lesser extend module authors an

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 19:14 +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > > I hope a summary of the meeting is posted to the WG mailing list. > > > > I think so, minutes were taken. > > I scribbled. > So did Dan King. > We sent our scribbles to Geng Liang and Qin Wu. > They will process. Thanks for that. >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

>> I hope a summary of the meeting is posted to the WG mailing list. > > I think so, minutes were taken. I scribbled. So did Dan King. We sent our scribbles to Geng Liang and Qin Wu. They will process. It was a side meeting. As Lou says, it was not part of any existing WG. Nor was it a BoF. Ho

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On 7/23/2019 12:03 PM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was somewhat misled ... This IETF's "side-meeting" approach to non-WG meetings is quite confusing.  This meeting was *not* a WG nor was it part of any NetMod WG coordinated activ

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 09:22 -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Hi, > > > > this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was > > somewhat misled into thinking that it would be about future evolution of > > YANG > >

Re: [netmod] YANG next

> -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka > Sent: 2019. július 23., kedd 12:03 > To: NETMOD WG > Subject: [netmod] YANG next > > Hi, > > this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was > somewhat m

Re: [netmod] YANG next

usage (e.g., hierarchical)) so they will not disturb current users. Regards Balazs -Original Message- From: netmod On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka Sent: 2019. július 23., kedd 12:03 To: NETMOD WG Subject: [netmod] YANG next Hi, this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IE

Re: [netmod] YANG next

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Hi, > > this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was > somewhat misled into thinking that it would be about future evolution of > YANG > the language, which was not the case at all. However, my personal > conclus

[netmod] YANG next

Hi, this morning I attended the side meeting "Next Step of IETF YANG". I was somewhat misled into thinking that it would be about future evolution of YANG the language, which was not the case at all. However, my personal conclusion from the meeting is that it would be a total disaster to throw in

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

> I suggest that we just do this, unless someone objects. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > From: netmod mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org>> On > Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani > Sent: 29 March 2019 21:38 > To: Andy Bierman mailto:a...@yumaworks.com>> > Cc: NetM

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

Cc: NetMod WG Subject: Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support Based on this discussion, I think we should reopen and change the title of this issue as “binary encoding in YANG support”, while I open a new issue in netconf-next for “support for binary encoding in NETCONF

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

Based on this discussion, I think we should reopen and change the title of this issue as “binary encoding in YANG support”, while I open a new issue in netconf-next for “support for binary encoding in NETCONF”. > On Mar 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:46 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:30:19AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < > > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 2

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:30:19AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:07:18AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < >

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:07:18AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < > > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > >

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:07:18AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > this is issue is closed but I wonder whether this is correct. I have > > several questions looking at the issue o

Re: [netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:19 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > Hi, > > this is issue is closed but I wonder whether this is correct. I have > several questions looking at the issue on github: > > - Why is this not a YANG issue? > - Which workaround is better

[netmod] yang next issue #46 binary encoding support

Hi, this is issue is closed but I wonder whether this is correct. I have several questions looking at the issue on github: - Why is this not a YANG issue? - Which workaround is better? - Why is this tagged as a NETCONF issue? If we want to support binary encodings, we need to allow modelers to d

[netmod] YANG-next Selection Discussion in Prague

For those interested in the YANG-next, there are three upcoming events: 1) a 2-hour virtual interim on Mar 20 (the IESG-Secretary will send out the invite shortly) 2) a 10-15 minute presentation on Monday, Mar 25 in NETMOD session #1 3) a 2-hour deep-dive meeting on Wednesday, Mar 2

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

I am interested in attending the virtual meeting(s) and the in-person meeting in Prague (Monday-Thursday preferably). On 2019-01-14, 5:27 PM, "netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen" wrote: >> PS: I've been too busy to setup a virtual meeting for us to finish the >> review of the YANG-next i

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

On Mon, 2019-01-14 at 09:07 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any interest in 1 or more side meetings at the next IETF to > discuss the yang-next issue list, towards the goal of determining the > problem space in scope for YANG 1.2? Yes, I would be interested. I have no preferences in

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:27 PM Kent Watsen wrote: > >> PS: I've been too busy to setup a virtual meeting for us to finish the > >> review of the YANG-next items in the GitHub tracker. But things are > >> just beginning to free up a little for me now. Would folks like to > >> have a meeting bef

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

>> PS: I've been too busy to setup a virtual meeting for us to finish the >> review of the YANG-next items in the GitHub tracker. But things are >> just beginning to free up a little for me now. Would folks like to >> have a meeting before 104 to finish that review? > > I think that's what the si

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

; Date: Monday, January 14, 2019 at 12:19 PM > To: Martin Bjorklund , "a...@yumaworks.com" > > Cc: NETMOD Working Group > Subject: Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104? > > I would also be interested. During the week would also be > best. Friday > morning co

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

etmod on behalf of Robert Wilton > > Date: Monday, January 14, 2019 at 12:19 PM > To: Martin Bjorklund , "a...@yumaworks.com" > > Cc: NETMOD Working Group > Subject: Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104? > > I would also be interested. During the week would

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

iew? Kent // contributor -Original Message- From: netmod on behalf of Robert Wilton Date: Monday, January 14, 2019 at 12:19 PM To: Martin Bjorklund , "a...@yumaworks.com" Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104? I would also be interested. D

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

I would also be interested.  During the week would also be best. Friday morning could also be a possibility depending on whether there are sessions scheduled. Thanks, Rob On 14/01/2019 17:10, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, Andy Bierman wrote: Hi, Is there any interest in 1 or more side meet

Re: [netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

Hi, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any interest in 1 or more side meetings at the next IETF to > discuss the yang-next issue list, towards the goal of determining the > problem space in scope for YANG 1.2? I am interested in this. I prefer a meeting during the week; my plan is to arriv

[netmod] yang-next meeting at IETF 104?

Hi, Is there any interest in 1 or more side meetings at the next IETF to discuss the yang-next issue list, towards the goal of determining the problem space in scope for YANG 1.2? Those of us who would need to make travel plans would appreciate it if meetings like this were scheduled ASAP instead

Re: [netmod] yang-next

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:18:08PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:28:25AM +, Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) wrote: > > > Juergen, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > With respect to functions available when using XPATH: XPATH 1.

Re: [netmod] yang-next

Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:28:25AM +, Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) wrote: > > Juergen, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > With respect to functions available when using XPATH: XPATH 1.0 refers to a > > Core Function Library. All the functions defined in there (

Re: [netmod] yang-next

aert, Bart (Nokia - BE) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] yang-next On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:33:36AM +, Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) wrote: Hi, Not sure whether this has been requested before but has it ever been considered to support higher versions of XPATH in YANG? As far as I re

Re: [netmod] yang-next

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:28:25AM +, Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) wrote: > Juergen, > > Thanks for the feedback. > With respect to functions available when using XPATH: XPATH 1.0 refers to a > Core Function Library. All the functions defined in there (Node set > functions, string functions, Bo

Re: [netmod] yang-next

action based on it, is strictly prohibited without the prior consent of its author. >> -Original Message- From: EXT Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de] Sent: 12 May 2016 10:57 To: Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ne

Re: [netmod] yang-next

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:33:36AM +, Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) wrote: > Hi, > > Not sure whether this has been requested before but has it ever been > considered to support higher versions of XPATH in YANG? As far as I remember > only XPATH 1.0 is supported in YANG although the RFC mentio

Re: [netmod] yang-next

prohibited without the prior consent of its author. >> -Original Message- From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Martin Bjorklund Sent: 11 March 2016 11:18 To: kwat...@juniper.net Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] yang-next Hi, Kent Watsen wrote: >

Re: [netmod] yang-next

I tried and failed to the repo to email events to the list. If anyone knows how to do this, please send mail to netmod-cha...@ietf.org. Thanks, Lou On 3/11/2016 5:17 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > I think it is a good idea to capture ideas like this, but I also think > that such ideas should be

Re: [netmod] yang-next

>I think it is a good idea to capture ideas like this, but I also think >that such ideas should be discussed on the ML. But maybe that's what >you meant. My thought is to defer any discussion on the ML until we actually want to start working on yang-next. That said, it would be good to en

Re: [netmod] yang-next

Hi, Kent Watsen wrote: > > All, > > I see too many emails go by where someone has an idea that they’d like > to get into a future version of YANG, and keep wishing that there were > an easy way to capture these feature requests. With that in mind I > created a new Github repository called "yan

Re: [netmod] yang-next

.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>" mailto:netmod@ietf.org>> Subject: RE: yang-next How about calling it YANGNG? Cheers --- Alex From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:13 PM To: netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>

Re: [netmod] yang-next

How about calling it YANGNG? Cheers --- Alex From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:13 PM To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] yang-next All, I see too many emails go by where someone has an idea that they’d like to get into a

[netmod] yang-next

All, I see too many emails go by where someone has an idea that they’d like to get into a future version of YANG, and keep wishing that there were an easy way to capture these feature requests. With that in mind I created a new Github repository called "yang-next”.This repository is not f