Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-26 Thread Lou Berger
Rob, I think chris spoke to this (indirectly) in an earlier mail -- that the current approach of not specifying is most flexible from a future proof stand point, i.e., we really don't want to specify based on what exists in today's rapidly moving environment. We have also discussed the possibi

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-26 Thread Robert Wilton
Lou, Martin, Is the network-instance schema-mount (from draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model) an example of where it would be useful to indicate which modules would be expected to be mounted at that point? Certainly it would seem that there are particular modules that you would expect to be m

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-26 Thread Lou Berger
Rob/Martin, On February 26, 2016 6:01:23 AM Robert Wilton wrote: On 26/02/2016 07:25, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Robert Wilton wrote: On 25/02/2016 08:43, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: I think the

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-26 Thread Robert Wilton
On 26/02/2016 07:25, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Robert Wilton wrote: On 25/02/2016 08:43, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like to rearrang

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Robert Wilton wrote: > > > On 25/02/2016 08:43, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >> > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like > to rearrange existing models i

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Robert Wilton
On 25/02/2016 08:43, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like to rearrange existing models into a beautiful hierarchy (for some definition of b

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Robert Wilton
On 25/02/2016 11:16, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Robert Wilton wrote: Hi Martin, On 25/02/2016 09:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On 25/02/2016 09:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >>> Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote:

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi Martin, On 25/02/2016 09:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Thu, Feb 2

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Marti

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like > > > >

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 25 Feb 2016, at 10:05, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >> Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>> > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:43:34AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like > > > > to rearrange existing models into a beau

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like > > > to rearrange existing models into a beautiful hierarchy (for some > > > definition of beauty). > > > > This would b

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 25 Feb 2016, at 09:00, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2016, at 23:39, Juergen Schoenwaelder >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:0

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:23:57AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > I think the use cases are rather obvious. I build a device and I like > > to rearrange existing models into a beautiful hierarchy (for some > > definition of beauty). > > This would be pretty complicated. Suppose I define my o

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:00:54AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > 3. This mechanism seems incompatible with groupings, or at least I > > cannot imagine how such a mount could be handled inside a grouping. > > > > BTW, the last item also applies to Martin's mount-point extension: > > if it

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mo

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-25 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2016, at 23:39, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >> Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 24 Feb 2016, at 23:39, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >> Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) ment

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread chopps
Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > In your I-D (if I got this right), you only declare mount-points in > the schema and then an implementation can mount whatever it likes on a > mount-point. What is the use case for this? Why is it

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Robert Varga
On 02/24/2016 11:39 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: In your I-D (if I got this right), you only declare mount-points in the schema and then an implementation can mount whatever it likes on a mount-point. What is the use case for this? Why is it a feature to not express in the schema at design ti

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Alexander Clemm (alex)
- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:17 PM To: Alexander Clemm (alex) Cc: Martin Bjorklund ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] explicit mount On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 09:04:00PM +, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: &g

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 09:04:00PM +, Alexander Clemm (alex) wrote: > Juergen, I think you are correct. Also alias-mount and peer-mount (not just > schema-mount) specify mountpoints in the schema. They are not about mounting > arbitrary data in arbitrary places, but defining a model with mo

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:30:40PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > > > that is not documented in draft-

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > > that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need > > for being able to specify modules t

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Alexander Clemm (alex)
[mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:10 AM To: Martin Bjorklund Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] explicit mount On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > In yesterday's meeting

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Robert Varga
On 02/24/2016 04:25 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 24 Feb 2016, at 15:48, Kent Watsen wrote: Hi Lada, In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need for being able to s

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:08:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need > for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the schema. > Somethin

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2016, at 15:48, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > >>> that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need > >>> for being

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 24 Feb 2016, at 15:48, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > >>> In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount >>> that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need >>> for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the sch

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Lada, >>In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount >> that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need >> for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the schema. >> Something like this: >> >> container root { >>ymnt:mount-p

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 23 Feb 2016, at 16:08, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Hi, > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need > for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the schema. > Something like th

Re: [netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-24 Thread Nadeau Thomas
> On Feb 23, 2016:10:08 AM, at 10:08 AM, Martin Bjorklund > wrote: > > Hi, > > In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount > that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need > for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the schema. > S

[netmod] explicit mount

2016-02-23 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, In yesterday's meeting, Lou (I think?) mentioned a use case for mount that is not documented in draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model; the need for being able to specify modules to mount directly in the schema. Something like this: container root { ymnt:mount-point "lne" { ymnt:mount