Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread dan
Posted on the chance that the speech which follows below has some relevance to the current thread. It was given by invitation to the RSA conference ten days ago now. -8

History of Computer Art, chap. VI.3 Net Art in the Web

2014-03-11 Thread Thomas Dreher
The third part of the sixth chapter of "The History of Computer Art" is now online in the English translation. The missing chapters VII and VIII will follow. Chapter VI.3 on HTML Art, Browser Art and Net Activism: URL: http://iasl.uni-muenchen.de/links/GCA-VI.3e.html -- Dr. phil. Thomas Dreher

HME's 10 rules (yet again)

2014-03-11 Thread allan siegel
Hi there, What a great flow of emotions Herr Enzensberger has generated over these days; seems like his 10 points for survival in the overlapping realms of the analog and digital worlds (as opposed to the post-digital mash-up which probably lies somewhere gestating in psychedelic glory in a basem

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread mp
On 11/03/14 13:27, Armin Medosch wrote: > Hi MP, > > it is not so difficult. There's capital, and its not homogenous. There are > capitals of a different era and of a different kind - such as industrial, > agro-business, and financial capital. There are different modes of > production and social

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Roel Roscam Abbing
On 3/10/14 6:05 PM, Florian Cramer wrote: >> 7 >> > E-Mail is nice, fast and free. So watch out! If you have a confidential >> > message or don't want to be surveilled, take a postcard and pencil. > > This advice is technologically naive. It's known that the NSA and other > secret services have sy

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Armin Medosch
Hi MP, it is not so difficult. There's capital, and its not homogenous. There are capitals of a different era and of a different kind - such as industrial, agro-business, and financial capital. There are different modes of production and social relations that go with it. It is not about 'for' or '

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Armin Medosch
Hi Frank sure, there is a diversity of opinion in any self-respecting newspaper. But that does not change the fact that FAZ editors are conducting a kind of campaign against the 'free' culture of the internet. I would certainly not consider Google to be 'good'. I am observing, rather neutrally, th

Re: Post-digital- Cyberclasm of the 1960s

2014-03-11 Thread d.garcia
Browsing through the files of Amsterdam?s Institute for Social History (as you do) I found Tjebbe van Tijan?s excellent essay written in 1998. Below is a short taster. Full essay to be found: http://socialhistory.org/sites/default/files/docs/digitial-ways-forgetting.pdf Digital ways of Forgett

the post of my post is not my pre digest [x3: kuhlmann, lichty, myers]

2014-03-11 Thread nettime's_poster_child
Re: Post-Postism, Florian Kuhlmann Patrick Lichty Rob Myers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Re: Post-digital From: Florian Kuhlmann Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:28:5

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Andreas: > can be effective in any way if performed in such privatistic ways as > suggested in HME's "rules".) Thats what I thought too -- and I think it is completely impossible and not even a topic worth to be discussed. The article was not even good as a shameless plug for this terrible path

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Florian Cramer
While I'd like to chime in with Andreas' fact check of Enzensberger's ten rules: > For those who aren't nerds, hackers or cryptographers and have > better things to do than keep up with the pitfalls of digitalization > every hour, there are ten simple rules to resist exploitation and > surveillanc

Re: Post-digital

2014-03-11 Thread Griffis, Ryan
This discussion, especially related to questions of "mindful disconnection," recalls Sigfried Giedion's 1948 "anonymous history," "Mechanization Takes Command." http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=acls;idno=heb01139 As he put it: "Never has mankind possessed so many instruments for

Re: Post-digital

2014-03-11 Thread John Hopkins
Rousseau comes fleetingly to mind: "The problem is to find a form of association which will defend and protect with the whole common force the person and goods of each associate, and in which each, while uniting himself with all, may still obey himself alone, and remain as free as before." And

Re: Post-Postism,

2014-03-11 Thread Keith Sanborn
It's sometimes difficult to distinguish between a Luddite geezer (in the Ame rican sense) and a person of age and wisdom with an historical perspective. <...> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text fil

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread Frank Rieger
Writing for the FAZ myself I can assure you, that there is no such thing as "the FAZ". It is a multitude of oppinions, plenty of debates and highly moble frontlines. There are some arch-conservative editors and authors who would love to wake up one day and find the internet gone (mostly in the pol

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread mp
On 10/03/14 15:32, Armin Medosch wrote: > is clearly old capital against new capital - the enemy is Google. so, old capital is a bad thing and new capital is a bad thing, or what's the moral of this? or speaking against new capital from the platform of old capital is bad? or anything bad about

Re: Post-Postism,

2014-03-11 Thread Keith Hart
Patrick, Thank you for saying so elegantly what I have been thinking for the past 30 years or more. I always felt that the promise of fundamental change was illusory in the 60s and 70s. Things started really moving in the 80s. OK it was neoliberalism, but for the first time I knew that history was

Re: Post-digital

2014-03-11 Thread d.garcia
Felix Wrote > Where the terms makes no sense, in my view (and also in Florian's), > is sociologically. The most powerful forces that transform globalized > societies, are all dependent on, and amplified by, digital > technologies. If anything, we are in the middle of the historical > run of this

Re: Hans Magnus Enzensberger: Rules for the digital world

2014-03-11 Thread morlockelloi
This is the essential fallacy. The idea that the security is so complicated that only the guild members (from gov/corporate employees to open source celebrities) are supposed to handle it, has been successfully floated for a while. Which leaves the unwashed with the choice of 'trusting' either th

Re: Post-digital - Mindful Disconnection: Counterpowering the Panopticon from the Inside (with Howard Rheingold)

2014-03-11 Thread Frederic Janssens
I mainly agree. The realistic take has always been and should always be: Whatever > technology and/or social process that can be used to strengthen > the interests of strategic power, will be used to strengthen the > interests of strategic power. > > Is a very apt description of what is the main