This bogus standoff between Marxist and ‘Rousseauian' factions is not only shallow, but seems (despite calls for a grand unifying narrative for ’the left’) to be used to draw lines in the sand, fostering divisiveness, rather than a vision that will mobilise and empower. Perhaps some shadow of the
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Julia and Angela,
Nettime was originally a club for the class of white male geeks who thought
they were making a new internet in the 90s. This class, in vehicles such as
unlike us, now fights a rearguard action against the FAANG monopolists.
Ted and Felix at one time proposed winding up the list,
friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to
angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should
give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that
"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the
openness to questio
Hi,
just to make this clear once and for all :
• I am not a bigot, fascist, alt-right troll or what not.
• maybe i was a bit naiev in thinking that Alexander Bard was just a nuisance
and someone with a rather unpleasant talk. Florian was so kind to notify me of
his connections and rather suspect
Yes please. This tiny splinter of the community says.
Bard just stop.
David
On 6 Nov 2018, at 04:30, Lunenfeld, Peter B. wrote:
> Hello All -
>
> Bard asked if the community wanted him to cease and desist. My vote
> is yes. Not only are his politics abhorrent, he’s not here to engage in
Yes, the fundamental question lurking in any collective is "who cleans the
toilet?".
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Andreas Broeckmann a...@mikro.in-berlin.de :
>frie
Julia, your questions — 'so, is that it?' and 'is this normal?'— are
really important.
A few years ago Felix and I pranked the list on April 1st by announcing
that we were shutting down nettime:
https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1504/threads.html
But it wasn't entirely a p
> These two young women do they exactly what I have been asking for, they put
> class first and identities second and thereby arrive at a Marxist analysis of
> contemporary society from which we can build a proper left for the future.
God! Asking women to put a gender and race neutral class firs
"Sorry" could also work very well here --- maybe even better than a
recommendation.
From: Willem van Weelden
To: Julia Röder
Cc: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: apropos "relax dear"
Hi,just to make this clear once and for all :• I am
At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number
of people set to manual approval by the moderators.
The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on
"moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that,
not for some absolutist notion of fr
With all genuine due respect to Ted and Felix for the amount of work that comes
with it -
And with appreciation for your reflections on what needs to be changed, Ted,
that came in while I was writing this -
How can you seriously all repeat your trust in the moderation poiicies after
what happen
Dear all,
Although I certainly do not share all of Alexander's notions and ideas,
and although I do not discount the possibility that he actually is one
of these 'trolls', I don't support banning him from nettime permanently.
I have to admit that I am a bit shocked by the eagerness with which
One can say gender and identity are de facto markers of disenfranchisement and
hence of class. It is the understanding of “class” which needs deeper analysis.
And it is the undoing of hierarchies of gender and identity within class
struggle which might make possible future advances.
On Nov 6,
A quick google search with his name brought me this gem:
https://goo.gl/images/94Nics
In my experience, only predators use this sort of rationale.
Since nettime is a mostly male space, I’d like to propose that we adopt a
community guideline asking participants to watch their misogyny and, when th
I'd like to go back to lurking, but a few replies below. Mainly, this:
Bard occupied too much space, so I hope we de-occupy it with more
forward- or outward-looking things. Nettime does best when mods are seen
and not heard.
On 6 Nov 2018, at 15:22, Nina Temporär wrote:
A Nazi gets granted th
Hi Sean,
Ok point taken! I apologize for being unintentionally rude or insensitive.
My intentions were other.
gr
w
> On 06 Nov 2018, at 14:29, Sean Smith wrote:
>
> "Sorry" could also work very well here --- maybe even better than a
> recommendation.
>
>
>
> From: Willem van Weelden
>
As one of the (very?) few conservatives on this list—by which I mean
conservative relative to the list as a whole—and someone who has been on the
list for something like 20 years, I have a few observations:
— Overall, I am impressed with the degree to which the move away from active
moderating
8., 9., and 10. November 2018
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Dear Nettime/rs
I have also been lurking throughout this infuriating conversation that
became increasingly self-indulgent and irrelevant and down the rabbit
hole of leftist jargon, name dropping and other forma of grandstanding.
To put it another way the discussion devolved rapidly and densely
As briefly as possible, responses to various threads/remarks bundled up
below:
I've been on this list since, I think, 2003. This was the first time I've
ever suggested someone be thrown off. As someone else noted, times have
changed; but also, I can spot a fascist set of talking points because I'v
hy.
thank you for the thoughts suggested into me from your writing.
i have obviously not been educated enough in US Politics to find an
audience in my reply,
i wish i knew if the Toqueville book i am currently reading on Democracy in
USA
(shall along my further reading )cross refer(s ) this followi
Brilliant, thanks. Looking forward to read the links.
And glad you went „meta“ and pulled this off with a certain authority, not
allowing him to make you react to his/their game,
In which they eternally try to assign to you either the part of a self-pitying,
worthless victim, or that of an evil
about that
> dear angela,
> relax dear.
> it is ok.
> noone is recruiting anyone here.
> chill.
> best,
> w
so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela?
do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this is
normal??
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 23:29,
[[ I'm going through the queue of messages that were held for various reasons —
mainly because they came from addresses that don't precisely match the
subscriber
database or some other 'technical' problem. So the small burst of messages that
seem to be out of sync with the discussion reflects p
I’m glad to see that this interview has sparked an interesting debate. It’s
been a pleasure to read all your thoughts, and I only regret that I didn’t push
more on some of these important issues myself in the interview. But we could
only cover so much ground.
In private conversation with RMS I
This bogus standoff between Marxist and ‘Rousseauian' factions is not only shallow, but seems (despite calls for a grand unifying narrative for ’the left’) to be used to draw lines in the sand, fostering divisiveness, rather than a vision that will mobilise and empower. Perhaps some shadow of the
This.
Morlock, come back to us.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 6:54 PM tbyfield wrote:
> Angela, all —
>
> Felix Stalder and I are the two people who've consistently moderated the
> list for the last twenty years. We don't speak for each other, but for
> my part the simple and straightforward answer to
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Hello All -
Bard asked if the community wanted him to cease and desist. My vote
is yes. Not only are his politics abhorrent, he’s not here to engage in
dialogue at all, from what I gleaned from his shit-postings. He’s just a typist
with a broadband connection and a Tourette twitch that compels
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