Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.

2019-06-12 Thread Jordan Crandall
Like Sean I’ve been active long ago, lurking for a decade or more. It’s good to be prodded to contribute. I thought of jumping in during some of the recent discussions, notably the ‘Rage against the machine’ thread, but unsure about how my writing will fit in, as I have been writing fiction

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Richard Sewell
Adrian - I'd agree with all of that - but can you say a bit more about the last bit: "working out how we carry that forward into ways to manufacture everything else" R. On 12/06/2019 21:20, Adrian McEwen wrote: I think the points both of you make are important.  Everyone should have the

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Adrian McEwen
I think the points both of you make are important.  Everyone should have the agency (if they choose to use it, not everyone has to be a maker) to make whatever they like /and/ we should be helping those who want to build businesses around their making to do so and succeed. In DoES Liverpool

Re: Two possible books for discussion?

2019-06-12 Thread Nina Temporär
Absolutely, check this out: http://stopmotionstudies.net/pdf/bohm_07_07.pdf and http://turbulence.org/spotlight/crawford/index.html #Bohm Best N   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2019 um 21:40 Uhr Von: "Max Herman" An: "nettime-l@mail.kein.org" Betreff:  Two possible books for discussion?  

Two possible books for discussion?

2019-06-12 Thread Max Herman
Hi all, I recently found out about David Bohm's 1996 book On Dialogue, and have been interested in Italo Calvino's Six Memos for the Next Millennium for a couple of years. Are either of these relevant for or about discussion approaches? Thanks, Max # distributed via : no commercial use

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Richard Sewell
James - I think from my point of view the greatest value of the maker movement has been an explosion of people making things that don't entirely make sense and that are not intended as commercial ventures. That's not an issue, that's the point. They are learning that they can pull ideas out of

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Carsten Agger
On 6/11/19 5:27 PM, Jaromil wrote: > dear Bruce and nettimers, > [...] > 3. the "shamanic" value that can be embedded in uses of technologies, >as opposed to the sanitized and rational interpretation given by >designers in the west. Techno-shamanism is something Fabi Borges, >Vicky

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread James Wallbank
Hi Adrian, I'm really interested in this comment: "There are people in the space who see it as a way to bootstrap their startup, and there is a risk that it can be exploited by someone only out for themselves, but the culture of the space mostly manages to protect itself from that." My

Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.

2019-06-12 Thread Tom Keene
Hi Renée, RE: I tend to make egregious typos & grammatical mistakes that I don't catch until it's about a week later. Same with me, i'm dyslexic and much prefer making and programming as a way to understand the world. On social media, particularly Twitter, I've learnt not to worry so much,

Re: less (net time) is more

2019-06-12 Thread Nina Temporär
This sentence is the nettime problem in a nutshell >why narrow it down to your favourite > prejudices ? # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info:

Re: less (net time) is more

2019-06-12 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
nina, i take the liberty to comment on your message anyway, since i fail to get the joke. why override the good intention? why narrow it down to your favourite prejudices? everybody who posts here and makes him- or herself visible to others would (in this "convivial dream nettime") be a

Re: less (net time) is more

2019-06-12 Thread Nina Temporär
  Dear Andreas, I know you mean it in a good way and are simply speculating... ...but just as little reminder - "mentor system": Yikes, that is the perfect tool to render it most likely that hierarchies reproduce themselves. It is gonna be like the vatican then. o_O Also, as the problem of the

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Adrian McEwen
Is the death of Make the rebirth of nettime? ;-)  Mostly joking, but given this has turned a few lurkers into posters (me included), maybe we just need some different topics to be discussing? I'm enjoying the contributions (and nice to bump into some friends as fellow-lurkers!).  It's nice to

Re: less (net time) is more

2019-06-12 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
panos, friends, i like this idea, especially because it highlights what is valuable about many of the exchanges that include the conviviality of arguing. (once upon a time, in the later 1990s, there was a string of such meetings... [incl. big arguments about joint projects like the READ ME

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread James Wallbank
Fascinating to hear about personal engagement in Making, Graham! I, too, have been personally, hands-on involved in Making since Access Space's turn towards digital manufacture, and the interface of the physical and the digital, since around 2010. (For those of you who aren't aware of

Re: The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors; throws in the towel

2019-06-12 Thread Tom Keene
I'd also like to add some thoughts here as a non-poster on Nettime. I was recently contacted by some old friends, some of whom I haven't seen since I was 16 years old. These friends were part of London's early squat party scene. This scene was distinct from 'raves' heard so much about in the