Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-18 Thread Brian Holmes
On 12/17/2017 06:31 PM, Kein wrote: Hi Brian! Well I was slightly kidding but more seriously: History suggests it's not a one way street from direct to symbolic action, the traffic can flow both ways. Ben Yeah, that's what I think. Making it flow is pretty important though. Grenoble used to

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Kein
Hi Brian! Well I was slightly kidding but more seriously: History suggests it's not a one way street from direct to symbolic action, the traffic can flow both ways. Ben Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Dec 2017, at 18:23, Brian Holmes wrote: > >> On 12/17/2017 10:50 AM, Kein wrote: >> Quick pt: I

The ideology of technology (Was Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists)

2017-12-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
On 12/17/17, 01:07, e...@x80.org wrote: For better or worse it seems to me that the only way to escape control from computers is not rejection, but in-depth education about them. Yes. The following are my contributions to an e-mail exchange which I resisted putting on nettime as it didn't off

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Brian Holmes
On 12/17/2017 10:50 AM, Kein wrote: Quick pt: It's not 'symbolic' if you burn enough infrastructure. Right, then you can kick off a massive military/fascist reaction which isn't symbolic either! Direct action either becomes symbolic, allowing for politics, or it becomes a fight, allowing th

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Kein
Quick pt: It's not 'symbolic' if you burn enough infrastructure. Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:27, Vincent Van Uffelen wrote: > >> On 17/12/2017 10:07, e...@x80.org wrote: >> Morlock Elloi writes: >> Echoing recent digital critics such as Douglas Rushkoff or even myself, >

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Vincent Van Uffelen
On 17/12/2017 10:07, e...@x80.org wrote: Morlock Elloi writes: Echoing recent digital critics such as Douglas Rushkoff or even myself, they ask themselves what’s revolutionary or prophetic in an industry that relies on old-school capitalism, monopolies, micro-work, state regulations and money

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread e
Morlock Elloi writes: >> Echoing recent digital critics such as Douglas Rushkoff or even myself, >> they ask themselves what’s revolutionary or prophetic in an industry >> that relies on old-school capitalism, monopolies, micro-work, state >> regulations and money as a cardinal value. And as they

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
This is correct observation. "Hacker spaces" and similar are simply recruitment centers for the new cognitive class that will facilitate the machine-mediated control of the rest. People instinctively understand this, despite the deluge of propaganda to the contrary. Computing machines are al

'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-14 Thread Patrice Riemens
bwo Tetalab List Original to: https://hackernoon.com/in-france-cyber-criticism-turns-violent-as-activists-burn-a-fablab-to-protest-the-diffusion-of-4ad378251c5b In France, cyber criticism turns violent as “activists” burn a fablab to protest the diffusion of digital culture What will be the