Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Nina Temporär
Richard, Thanks a lot for the links! I am not asking for your opinion from `95/`98, though - that’s indeed a great epochal text, but a position which is meanwhile common knowledge. So I had actually hoped you might have an updated opinion on that from a more present-day perspective, with not

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread C.Robbins
Some of us realized this at the time On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:04 AM, carlo von lynX wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 02:06:55PM +0100, Menno Grootveld wrote: >> The URL is wrong. The correct one is >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwt-Jrmd5Ns > > Sorry folks, this is indeed the URL I intend

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread carlo von lynX
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 02:06:55PM +0100, Menno Grootveld wrote: > The URL is wrong. The correct one is > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwt-Jrmd5Ns Sorry folks, this is indeed the URL I intended to post. I find the documentary quite thrilling with these rapid alternations of the fallacious opti

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Alexander Bard
Correct! Which is why you can't read Nietzsche without Marx and Marx is best read with Nietzsche. Or you can't read Deleuze &Guattari without ploughing through Freud and Lacan first. So we are now split between two extremes: ultraglobalism and ultralocalism. Isn't Nick Land just the perfect example

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Nina Temporär
> Am 02.03.2018 um 16:49 schrieb Callum Copley : > > Hi all, first replying via nettime, hope this works. > > I too have found some of his thinking very interesting at times but upon > learning the extent of his political views I refuse to engage with his work > > See below: > > "Nick Land ad

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Richard Barbrook
Hiya, > > We did warn you that Deleuze and Guattari were > > the class enemy! > But could you elaborate on this one please? This is the wall poster which me and Andy Cameron wrote to provoke the Deleuzoguattarians at Nick Land's Virtual Futures '95 conference: http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/20

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Callum & Co Point taken and full understanding. Personally though I happily lunch with people with or without embrace. The former does not require the latter. And when digging into the human mind, Nick Land sees further and deeper than almost anybody. It is what he sees and not how he values

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Callum Copley
Hi all, first replying via nettime, hope this works. I too have found some of his thinking very interesting at times but upon learning the extent of his political views I refuse to engage with his work See below: *"Nick Land advocates for racially based absolutist micro-states, where unregulated

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Nina Temporär
> Am 02.03.2018 um 16:03 schrieb Richard Barbrook > : > > > We did warn you that Deleuze and Guattari were the class enemy! > > Richard Hi Richard, Whoa, bold one-line-claims thrown into the silence of a snowy Friday afternoon! Nice attitude :) But…. It’s no big deal to know how Foucault

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Richard Barbrook
Hiya, > Where is Nick Land now? What is he up to? Can he be brought back to > philosophy and critical theory? Nick Land is now a booster for the racist alt-right: http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/ We did warn you that Deleuze and Guattari were the class en

Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Menno Grootveld
The URL is wrong. The correct one is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwt-Jrmd5Ns Op 02-03-18 om 13:24 schreef carlo von lynX: Bumped into an amazing documentary from 1994: depicting the future of society in the age of the Internet. Some statements are funny or sad for their naivity, some other

1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Carlo & Co Where is Nick Land now? What is he up to? Can he be brought back to philosophy and critical theory? I read "Fanged Noumea" when it was released a couple of years ago (I guess most Nettime members did) and remembered how inspired I was by Land's perspective in the 1990s on "the flat

1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread carlo von lynX
Bumped into an amazing documentary from 1994: depicting the future of society in the age of the Internet. Some statements are funny or sad for their naivity, some others are chilling as they predict the advent of the great Internet monopolies. "Visions Of Heaven and Hell" - https://www.youtu.be