Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Willem van Weelden
gt; > From: Willem van Weelden > To: Julia Röder > Cc: nettime-l@mail.kein.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: apropos "relax dear" > > Hi, > just to make this clear once and for all : > • I am not a bigot, fascist, alt-right troll

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Alice Yang
A quick google search with his name brought me this gem: https://goo.gl/images/94Nics In my experience, only predators use this sort of rationale. Since nettime is a mostly male space, I’d like to propose that we adopt a community guideline asking participants to watch their misogyny and, when

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Menno Grootveld
Dear all, Although I certainly do not share all of Alexander's notions and ideas, and although I do not discount the possibility that he actually is one of these 'trolls', I don't support banning him from nettime permanently. I have to admit that I am a bit shocked by the eagerness with which

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Felix Stalder
At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number of people set to manual approval by the moderators. The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on "moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that, not for some absolutist notion of

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Sean Smith
"Sorry" could also work very well here --- maybe even better than a recommendation. From: Willem van Weelden To: Julia Röder Cc: nettime-l@mail.kein.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:09 AM Subject: Re: apropos "relax dear" Hi,just to make this clear once

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread tbyfield
Julia, your questions — 'so, is that it?' and 'is this normal?'— are really important. A few years ago Felix and I pranked the list on April 1st by announcing that we were shutting down nettime: https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1504/threads.html But it wasn't entirely a

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Jo M2M
Yes, the fundamental question lurking in any collective is "who cleans the toilet?". -- * please, don't other me * Jo van der Spek M2M v. Ostadestraat 49 1072SN Amsterdam http://schipholbrand.net dinsdag, 06 november 2018, 00:19p.m. +01:00 van Andreas Broeckmann a...@mikro.in-berlin.de :

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Willem van Weelden
Hi, just to make this clear once and for all : • I am not a bigot, fascist, alt-right troll or what not. • maybe i was a bit naiev in thinking that Alexander Bard was just a nuisance and someone with a rather unpleasant talk. Florian was so kind to notify me of his connections and rather suspect

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that "nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the openness to

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Keith Hart
Julia and Angela, Nettime was originally a club for the class of white male geeks who thought they were making a new internet in the 90s. This class, in vehicles such as unlike us, now fights a rearguard action against the FAANG monopolists. Ted and Felix at one time proposed winding up the

Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Julia Röder
about that > dear angela, > relax dear. > it is ok. > noone is recruiting anyone here. > chill. > best, > w so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela? do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this is normal?? On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 23:29,