Re: social media critique: next steps?

Lots going on in the field of ‘social media critique’. A few days ago I received an interesting email from someone I met recently for the first time, a somewhat older, nice man, based in the official reality. “You are right and prescient about Facebook. It looks like a major battle to undercut

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social media critique: next steps? On 2018-01-17 03:22, Morlock Elloi wrote: > The future of humanity is the struggle between humans that control > machines and machines that control humans. Machines are never in control. Even if you believe that the liberal CEO FB has somewhat lost contr

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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:55:47AM +0100, Andre Rebentisch wrote: > and the conservative technologist (=us) then says: Who needs X, there is Y. I guess I don't qualify. Slack, Mattermost and Matrix bring a lot to the table that IRC doesn't provide. > The real issue of the last decade is that

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There is a symbiotic relationship the affects both sides. Where the boundary is becomes irrelevant. The point is that the majority will be excluded from the symbiosis. There is one rare talk about thinking machines that makes sense, from the guy who defined the field: 1951 "Alan Turing's lost

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On 2018-01-17 03:22, Morlock Elloi wrote: > The future of humanity is the struggle between humans that control > machines and machines that control humans. Machines are never in control. Even if you believe that the liberal CEO FB has somewhat lost control of his creation, it still does what

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Agreed Roel, thanks for your nice list. I would like to add one more project: Duniter. As said here: http://perspective-numerique.net/wakka.php?wiki=SymetrieEtNeutralite2Engl "If you want a symmetrical network, it is necessary to design it in such a way that it generate itself a new form of

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> This is in the end what Silicon Valley tries to prevent at all cost: > resistance and exodus. How can such a momentum be unleashed? So aside from the discussion of who listens (or didn't listen) to whose opinion it can be interesting to have a closer look at action and momentum. Three projects

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FB as HIV: The future of humanity is the struggle between humans that control machines and machines that control humans. While the internet has brought about a revolution in our ability to educate each other, the consequent democratic explosion has shaken existing establishments to their

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Hiya, > From where I sit, Momentum looks like the most interesting political > thing happening in the dreeeary Western World. Noting the role that the > revived situationist War Game is playing in the Labor Party, and > recalling the role that the "California Ideology" has played on > Nettime,

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If this is the only solution, we are in trouble. 1. The current (and foreseeable) political climate will not have any monopoly-breaking anti-trust mechanisms applied, period. This is the 20th century thinking, a non-starter. The opposite actually happens. 2. Curated vs. censored problem was

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On 01/16/2018 05:44 AM, David Garcia wrote: I continue to put some cautious hope in the rise and rise of an increasingly tech savvy Momentum (the UK Labor Party’s Corbyn supporting outfit) that could become a forum for addressing the power of platform capitalism. As Momentum appears to be

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Hello,  I’m coming at this discussion from another direction, sorry about that… The problem with Facebook (for me anyway) is not its social media functions in so far as IT ONLY works as a virtual bulletin board, town crier or even as vehicle for sending messages. These aspects were part of the

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I forward this post from Michael because I not only appreciate being acked, but because everything else in it is just so absolutely right. - Forwarded message from Michael Rogers - On 14/01/18 16:36, Geert Lovink wrote: > How can we scale up and democratize all

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sobooks.com/books/292-what-does-the- > ruling-class-do-when-it-rules > > > > Ciaoui, p+7D! > > > > > > On 2018-01-16 12:27, Sean Cubitt wrote: > >> The algorithms of the ruling class are in every epoch the algorithms > >> of the ruling class > >&

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gt;> The algorithms of the ruling class are in every epoch the algorithms >> of the ruling class >> -- >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:16:59 +0100 >>> From: Florian Cramer <flrnc

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> Florian wrote: One could argue that today's mainstream social media critique > has finally caught up with the critical media theory of 10-15 years ago. The difference is that 10-15 years ago the unprecedented popularity of the social media platforms coupled with mobile devices was a long way

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One could argue that today's mainstream social media critique has finally caught up with the critical media theory of 10-15 years ago. The major arguments have already been made in, among others, Wendy Chun's "Control and Freedom" from 2005. Today's social media critique is a simplified,

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so should facebook pay us basic income? i think some ft editorialist argued as much. but that would mean putting fb on a utility-like pedestal. i m no media theorist and so forgive me for intruding, but i wonder how the latest tweak to the fb algorithm (less news, more cousins) will affect

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Before leaving Facebook, here's the bill. USD 350,000,000,000,000 Three hundred Fifty Thousand Billion Dollar Open letter to Mark Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook. Hi Mark! Best wishes and congratulations on your good resolutions 2018! 1) you tell us you have realized that "with the rise of a

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The first step would be to stop calling it 'social media'. It's as much social media as fairgrounds merry go round. Don't legitimize it by implying it is a medium of the society. Call it some. It's important to understand the mechanics of how machine-fed deluge of stimuli affects victims.

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On 2018-01-13 15:36, Geert Lovink wrote: Following Boris Beaude, but now in a more pessimistic/dystopic interpretation, I am increasingly feeling to live 'the Ends of the Internet'. And the links Geert provides suggest I am not alone. We, of the 'pioneer' generation, are - have been for quite

social media critique: next steps?

Dear all, social media criticism is clearly reaching a new stage. In the past months voices from deep inside the industry have made themselves heard, in particular in response to the fakenews/Russia media drama and the sneaky ‘behaviour science’ manipulations of social media users. None of