Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-20 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 03:26, Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-20 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 05:24 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Even better, or worse, is that my daughter's employer has just bought her a new box with XP. She doesn't even get a recovery disk. She has to take it back to the vendor if it's needed. We

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-20 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 10:31, Fajar Priyanto wrote: I notice that some brands already provide this kind of feature. Acer is one, the give you a hdd with a hidden D drive containing the original C image, and a recovery button on the CPU casing,

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-20 Thread Erylon Hines
On Saturday 20 March 2004 06:12 am, Frank Bax wrote: At 10:26 PM 3/19/04, Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 22:55, robin wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread anton
Here in Turkey, Windows costs around $2 (Mandrake costs a bit more, because there are more CDs). To quote a local comedy show, Please don't use the word 'pirate'. We are art distributors. Here that OS would cost around US$3. But, you know what, I think it's still too expensive. :-) I once

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 05:45 pm, anton wrote: I once read (possibly even on a mandrake list) that M$s biggest asset was that MOST of the world's programmers and sysadmins and certain almost all of the world's joe bloggs' are only comfortable

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Bingo. -- JoeHill Registered

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Hasta Purnama
19/03/2004 19:07 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Just like drug dealer.First,they give the drug free.Once you

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:01:03 +0700 Hasta Purnama disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Just like drug

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Paul
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 14:30, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 19 March 2004 03:17 am, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 02:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: I just checked CompUSA prices (given as Full/Upgrade in USD): XP Pro: $299.99/$159.99* XP Home: $199.99/$99.99 2000 Pro:

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 15:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded in them. -- cmg You mean they pretend that those

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Klemens Arro
On Friday 19 March 2004 14:47, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Friday 19 March 2004 08:17 am, Paul wrote: it's been said before, MS is happy to let windows get pirated, but come down heavy on office piracy. Paul M I haven't used Windoze for quite some time, don't even have it installed. BUT, back when I was disallusioned into runnin the latest,

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 19 March 2004 10:21 am, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 15:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread Erylon Hines
On Friday 19 March 2004 05:42 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The OEM price that you are quoting is the price for the OEM version, but that is far more than the Dell's and HP's are paying. Back during the days of the MS trial and subsequent settlement, it came out that major OEM's were

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-19 Thread frankieh
Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory mode. Truly useless, but the end users pay anyway. e. Not always, I can

[newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread JoeHill
...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 15:13:33 up 7 days, 5:43, Mandrake Linux release 9.2

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 07:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 Nothing will ever change until Microsoft is truly taken down. Same Old Story since 1992. stephen kuhn - owner

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Paul
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 22:38, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 07:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 Nothing will ever change until Microsoft is truly taken down.

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 08:00, Paul wrote: Since the talks with the EU have broken down should be interesting news on Monday Wednesday next week. Paul M Nothings going to change Microsoft. They're going to constantly try to dictate the software world, dominate the OS world, bullshit the

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread JoeHill
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Paul
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 23:22, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! See also http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3523232.stm

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Josenildo Marques
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 17:51, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the 'reasonable

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:22, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! Oh, good grief. what blue-eyed Canucks, Americans

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread JoeHill
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:43:00 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: Before wednesday, you'll find the headlines going like this : The EU Commission and Microsoft settles : Microsoft allows certain non-Microsoft software into consumer PC's. Microsoft admits misconduct and pays a

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know

Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

2004-03-18 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Thursday 18 March 2004 03:51 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713