[newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks to all who replied. I'm resuming what I wanted to achieve: 'rodolfo' is a normal user, but Rodolfo (me) is also the superuser, whereas say, 'alberto' is only a normal user. Then I wish to adopt for alberto a security level 4, i.e. alberto should not be able to see the '/' directory nor

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-20 Thread jdow
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The /dev, /proc and /sys dirs have turned back to be readable by other users, what I don't want. Any other hints will be appreciated. The system will not work with those set unreadable to other than root. {^_^} Want

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. The /dev, /proc and /sys dirs have turned back to be readable by other users, what I don't want. Any other hints will be appreciated. The system will not work with those set unreadable to other than root. {^_^} I just checked and indeed, even with a sec level=4 and even 5, some subdirs of

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-20 Thread jdow
/initrd doesn't matter at all. /opt and /sys by definition must be readable my normal users. /var is a general variable data storage area for all users. As such at least portions of it must remain read write. So by definition it, too, must remain read/write. {^_^}Joanne - Original Message

[newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Todd, thanks Richard: Todd wrote: I really question the need to have your entire system group owned by a simple user. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Better to su when you need to, or learn how to set up sudo. Richard wrote: Are you sure you know what you're doing? To me this

[newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Maybe a simple solution would be to add rodolfo to group 'root' in addition to group 'rodolfo'? I'm looking for the proper linux command to do so. Rodolfo Regala e regalati Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis, navighi veloce e scarichi

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 4:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Maybe a simple solution would be to add rodolfo to group 'root' in addition to group 'rodolfo'? I'm looking for the proper linux command to do so. Not root. Group wheel is a close match, but not quite what you're looking for. Not

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 19 December 2004 16:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : if I only allow the group 'rodolfo' to read those directories and not to modify them in any way, then I don't see the danger. Anyhow, if the system tries so hard to oppose to what I'm doing it's quite clear that I'm trying to

[newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks, Derek. You say: [...] you are completely ruining security by trying to give a user access to root files. [...] So you mean that security level 2, which gives a user access to *read* all the files of the '/' dir and its subdirs except for the /root dir, completely ruins security? Why

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 19 December 2004 21:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Derek. You say: [...] you are completely ruining security by trying to give a user access to root files. [...] So you mean that security level 2, which gives a user access to *read* all the files of the '/' dir and its

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Removing read permission from directories would indeed limit user rodolfo as well as user alberto, but that is where sudoers can help you. sudoers would give rodolfo permission to perform certain commands as if he were root user. Yes, the problem with sudoers is that (as far as I know) one

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 19 December 2004 23:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Removing read permission from directories would indeed limit user rodolfo as well as user alberto, but that is where sudoers can help you. sudoers would give rodolfo permission to perform certain commands as if he were root user.

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of 'chgrp' is not permanent?

2004-12-19 Thread jdow
Basically, Rodolfo, you cannot do what you want. In reality Linux has exactly one root account with multiple doors into the account, each with slightly different characteristics and names for login. But they are all the same account, account 0. So you can create all the root accounts you want with

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Erylon Hines
On Sunday 19 December 2004 03:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Removing read permission from directories would indeed limit user rodolfo | as well as user alberto, but that is where sudoers can help you. sudoers | would give rodolfo permission to perform certain commands as if he were | root

RE: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Hugh Dixon
Another option is to run midnight commander (mc) from the terminal, after su ing. Not as pretty as Konqueror though Hth hugh -Original Message- From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Re

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Erylon Hines
On Sunday 19 December 2004 09:40 pm, Hugh Dixon wrote: | Another option is to run midnight commander (mc) from the terminal, | after su ing. | Not as pretty as Konqueror though | | Hth | | hugh | | That will work--and mc looks like the old Norton Commander from DOS days. It will require you

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Martin
and using mc is a milestone on the way to geekdom :-) On Monday 20 December 2004 06:49, Erylon Hines wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2004 09:40 pm, Hugh Dixon wrote: | Another option is to run midnight commander (mc) from the terminal, | after su ing. | Not as pretty as Konqueror though |

RE: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Hugh Dixon
I doubt I elected to install it - but maybe. To me it is two steps back from geekdom than using the CLI !! hugh -Original Message- From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: The effect

Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of

2004-12-19 Thread Erylon Hines
On Sunday 19 December 2004 09:58 pm, Hugh Dixon wrote: | I doubt I elected to install it - but maybe. To me it is two steps back | from geekdom than using the CLI !! | hugh | | You obviously type better than mi e Want to buy your Pack or