Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-08 Thread Owen O'Neill
I have a syringe somewhere and can go get a vacuum pump but sucking the petcock-to-carb hose when it's either ON and in RES gets no fuel. So I think I should be taking apart the petcock and looking for something that went wrong, although I don't know what unless there was junk in it when it was run

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-08 Thread Owen O'Neill
I sort of get what you saying but I've not actually looked at anything yet about how the power from the generator is regulated, or the power demands of the whole electrical system except the kind of voltage regulator I'm familiar with is a chip on a circuit board where 5W is on the heavy side, and

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-07 Thread Allen Thomas
Creating electricity isn't free, It requires power so to reduce load on the tiny engine used they kept charging to a RPM range of expected use. Since if the bike is moving at all it is charging the trade off is a good one. Allen Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-07 Thread Owen O'Neill
It sort of sounded unnatural to me that there would even be a drain on the battery-- surprised it's not actually actually charging anytime the engine is just running including at idle like I thought anything would/should...Mysterious to me. On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Allen Thomas wrote

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-07 Thread Allen Thomas
Battery draining generally isn't an issue unless you spend a lot of time in stop and go traffic. I would suggest getting a battery tender and use it when you park. Most bikes have weak charging at low rpm the Nighthawk isn't unique there. Allen Thomas -- You received this message because you are

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-06 Thread Owen O'Neill
( The gas tank bolt is out and the gas tank can come off, but that's all I could do today, all staggering from heat exhaustion. I tried for an hour to unscrew it "sensibly" but it really needed to be sawed off with an oiled hacksaw. It was not as easy as it might sound. I''ve been avoiding getting

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-06 Thread Owen O'Neill
Allen Thomas:/> Oh, Gauge, yeah. EGrider:/> don't own a car but have some serious batteries (Cyclon) being all the same I could jump with. This time I was more concerned about the health of the one on board since it would be a shame if it were damaged being a new and expensive one. Q: Is battery

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-06 Thread Allen Thomas
Gauge not Hague. That was a typo. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Owen O'Neill wrote: > Check! "Hague sensor"... I've been adding markers to the pdf someone > nicely made available of the Shop Service Manual to make it searchable by > typing keywords. Not anytime soon, but maybe I will do enough

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
Ten-Four. After so many start attempts though the engine cranking suddenly got weak and the battery was down to 11.53V! So I've got it out slow-charging overnight. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Graham Rogers wrote: > Yes, get the tank off, block the vacuum line to the intake boot, run a > hose

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Graham Rogers
Yes, get the tank off, block the vacuum line to the intake boot, run a hose from a funnel to the fuel line into the carbs, fill funnel with gas (tie it to the handle bar somehow) and then you can check whether the problem is something other than lack of fuel to the carbs Sent from my iPad > On

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
"burettte" what I meant was "pipette", unless that's the same thing. (sucked gas into a straw and carried it to the tube) Sorry for the confusion, really if you wondered what on earth I meant. I've been typing too much lately On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Owen O'Neill wrote: > By the way,

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
By the way, before coming back to see further advice I went back out to the bike and saw that the valve end of the petcock-to-carb hose had splits in it, so I sheared off about 1 cm and had to really be worked to reconnect it where before I could push it on with my fingers, and the spring-clamp is

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
Check! "Hague sensor"... I've been adding markers to the pdf someone nicely made available of the Shop Service Manual to make it searchable by typing keywords. Not anytime soon, but maybe I will do enough of it to be generally useful to others. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Graham Rogers wrote:

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
This sounds good. The bolt did come up a mm or 2 clearance and I was turning it but likely was "pulling" not prying with my foot on one of the pegs or something since I remember using some locking grip pliers, maybe 20lb force at most and most of it vertical. I was at it for an hour or so but I mak

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Allen Thomas
Like Graham said put a side loading on the bolt while you unscrew it. Be patient and it will come out. Allen Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Graham Rogers
Remove the tank by unscrewing and prying up on the stripped bolt. Disconnect the fuel Hague sensor wires first. You should see them close to the tank, left hand side under the seat. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2015, at 15:49, Owen O'Neill wrote: > > (It's funny how when I was checking out t

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Graham Rogers
Remove the tank, attach the vacuum hose to the fuel petcock on the tank, suck on it to create vacuum and check that fuel comes out the petcock on reserve or 'on'. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2015, at 15:49, Owen O'Neill wrote: > > (It's funny how when I was checking out the carburetors, I

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
(It's funny how when I was checking out the carburetors, I turned the throttle and when the slides didn't move I thought I was going insane before I decided that there might be more than the one type of carburetor I know, such as a vacuum operated one, and indeed there is when I went back to my com

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
Boston, MA On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Graham Rogers wrote: > Where are you? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 5, 2015, at 14:31, Owen O'Neill wrote: > > '83 650 I bought 2 months ago. I've never worked on a motorcycle or driven > one before. Mopeds, yes, mopeds like you would not believe bu

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
I disconnected the line and it doesn't fit back tightly anymore (Because I was going to remove the tank. But the tank isn't removable yet as that bolt is stripped and I've tried but can't get it out yet. It's also not the original tank, I'm almost positive. ) On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Graham

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
I did feel a vacuum there when I put my thumb over the end of the disconnected hose... maybe I just need to tighten the tube over where it fits onto the petcock! Thanks Kyle, I will try that. I can ignore the fuel gauge saying "reserve" although I wonder why it does that now; but I was assuming it

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Graham Rogers
Where are you? Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2015, at 14:31, Owen O'Neill wrote: > > '83 650 I bought 2 months ago. I've never worked on a motorcycle or driven > one before. Mopeds, yes, mopeds like you would not believe but I find that > this completely different, 100 times more complicated

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Graham Rogers
And you may have disconnected that vacuum line if you did remove the tank Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2015, at 14:42, Kyle Munz wrote: > > The fuelcock is vacuum actuated. When in the ON or RES position you also have > to apply vacuum to open the diaphragm before any fuel will flow. If that

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Kyle Munz
The fuelcock is vacuum actuated. When in the ON or RES position you also have to apply vacuum to open the diaphragm before any fuel will flow. If that vacuum line is no longer attached you won't get fuel to the carbs. -Kyle On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Owen O'Neill wrote: > '83 650 I bought

[Nighthawk Lovers] SOS SOS ... - - - ... NO FUEL from petcock! AND I CAN'T REMOVE MY GAS TANK!!!!....!

2015-09-05 Thread Owen O'Neill
'83 650 I bought 2 months ago. I've never worked on a motorcycle or driven one before. Mopeds, yes, mopeds like you would not believe but I find that this completely different, 100 times more complicated and I cannot pick this machine up off the ground and carry it or spark it up by just nudging