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If I had to choose, I would say #1 But I wouldn't put it that way. I look at it as the job we chose. Period. It's not a 9 to 5 job. PS full time IT dude here. From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work

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#1 for the most part but if I come in on a weekend I get to flex it out. Full time onsite for me. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families From: Durf To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Sat Aug 16 11:07:09 2008 Subject: After-hours work Hey

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Martin, largely I agree - but it's a bit different when you're in consulting. The money's going into someone else's pocket, as we charge more for after-hours work. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > If I had to choose, I would say #1 > > But

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#1. Officially it's #3, but I don't see it as work. I enjoy the challenge. (Full time IT) Christopher J. Bosak Vector Company c. 847.603.4673 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue." - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me From: Durf [mailto:[EMAI

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Buddy of mine is facing #1 right now, except he "carries the beeper" 24x7x365. His company refuses to get him any backup. And the beeper goes off pretty much EVERY night. Not kidding. His wife is not the least bit happy; even though 95% of it is phone support. Can't blame her for that. I'm

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Thanks Ben - this is kind of what I'm looking at as well. We lost our top consultant about a year ago due to similar issues. The wife/life factor is something that just cannot be ignored, and if it means we're losing good people, then that's an issue. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:58 AM,

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Thanks Durf for asking this I too have been wondering. I am a # 1 but I am suppose to have some flex that never seems to be available. On-site IT and no beeper I just get calls. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Ben - this is kind of what I'm lookin

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My company has an established policy for on-call compensation - I'm not a conslutant: First on-call $20.00 per weekday evening $50.00 per weekend/holiday There's also a rate for second on-call, but I can't remember what it is, as IT doesn't use that. Of course, as senior guy, I'm always second on

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I'm "always" on "beeper" (text messages via cell phone). I get standard overtime for anything over 40 hrs per week. Durf wrote: > If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, > how are you compensated? > > 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.

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This seems like a very reasonable policy. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My company has an established policy for on-call compensation - I'm > not a conslutant: > > First on-call > $20.00 per weekday evening > $50.00 per weekend/holiday > > There'

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We have a nice setup here - we get our pick between #4 (paid quarterly) or #5 (Onsite IT, private industry) ...Tim From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll a

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I'm #1. I'm on call 24x7x365. I don't get paid extra for it. I carry a blackberry. Work pays $40 of the $120 verizon bill. That said, I almost never get called. If I do, it's my Jr Systems Engineer with a simple question. I do have to do work that requires system downtime after hours(obviously), a

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# 1. Just got out of the consulting business. We were suppose to get payed overtime but we never saw that or were ever offered flex time. If your consulting and your employer can charge 125.00+ an hour for your work for calls in the middle of the night and on weekends I think that you as an empl

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Interesting thread, Currently I am in a position that I get calls all around the clock (support customers around the world). I am working usually 6 days a week and on average 12 hours a day. It's quite a challenge… ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

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Try $250+. :) The argument we've been given before against extra compensation is that "we don't want to encourage you to work after hours." And, admittedly, this has led *me* at least to rely more heavily on techniques like Jeff Middleton's Swing migration that can be largely performed during w

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I am in the combination of 1 & 5 depending on the circumstances of what I'm am working on. I am on salary so the ball is on my court to make sure to take the flex time when I can. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > > Taking a little informal poll about

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You know, I should have thought to ask whether folks were working salaried, hourly/fulltime or hourly/contract. I suspect this does substantially impact how compensation is structured. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Mike Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am in the combination o

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Durf, Thanks for the interesting thread. Salary, on site IT guy. Company pays for data plan on my Tilt, so I get e-mail as it's sent. I am supposed to get 50% comp time but it has not worked out like that so I will put myself in the #1 category. There are a ton of hours, but I'm getting to play w

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I'm a lead, and therefore salaried/exempt. My minions are hourly. We both get the on-call pay, at the same rate. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, I should have thought to ask whether folks were working salaried, > hourly/fulltime or hourly/contract. I

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Oh, yeah. If the person on-call does get a call, and has to show up on site to take care of it, it's a mandatory minimum of three hours at time-and-a-half. I have also charged that rate if it's taken more than hour of working from home. A ticket must be started for each incident, too. Kurt On Sat

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That's silly. You're paid the extra to discourage the company/customer from using after-hours calls frivolously. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try $250+. :) > > The argument we've been given before against extra compensation is that "we > don't want to encour

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Salaried, have a rotating on call BB/Pager that we carry for 2 weeks, then pass it off to the next person. Lets see, there are 4 of us sharing the on call duties, so I get it about every other month. Rarely have any calls or emergencies. Compensation is flex time. That being said, I'm not on ca

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A mix of 3 and 5 for me. For planned project work, I get paid at an OT rate - however for work that goes over into "out of hours" then usually I just get the time back. Im a full time employee for a IT solutions provider. Gavin. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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: After-hours work ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

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We get £280 for carrying the phone for a week and £35 every time it rings (as long as it is a genuine call, telling the first-line guys the system is unsupported and to leave you alone doesn't really count) 2008/8/16 Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hey all, > > Taking a little informal poll about comp

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For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but ther

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sometimes From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay

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Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call

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ible thing sometimes From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do

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IT staffer here - we get #5 for any after hours work - they are pretty good about it. We also get comp time for being on-call. We get 4 hours of time off for every week we are on-call. We have a very generous vacation allocation - especially after you have been here 5+ or 10+ years so the tim

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based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doi

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hink it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated

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.. > > -Original Message- > From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: After-hours work > > Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt&quo

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+1 on the floor mat comment. What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... Dave Lum -Original Message- From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work " I think

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means, I’m not simply stating that you push back on everything, but picking your battles will get you much farther. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work Or be knocked/pushed down. Jon

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M To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to pa

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Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? jlc -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That&

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EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? > > jlc > > -Original Message- > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: After-hours work >

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for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT System Admin Issues" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. D

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ss doesn't see that it's a double standard, though. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorr

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More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html - Original Message - From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT System Admin Issues" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my m

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st 18, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html - Original Message - From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT System Admin Issues" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2

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On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf wrote: > > Hey all, > > Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / > weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an > onsite IT guy, please indicate. > > > If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to car

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al as HVAC, etc. Dave -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf wrote: > > Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this week

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2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work > This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being

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Sounds an awful lot like a "hostile work environment" to me. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of pa

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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I we

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NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Sounds an awful lot like a "hostile work environment" to me. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours w

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Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I love the trick where the employer give you nothing if you work

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Salaried #1. Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case primary needs help with your specialty. No flex time/compensation, though they say they do in 'extraordinary circumstances', those only seem involve a pet project and at least 21 days straight and I've not ever qualified a

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Speaking of which, are you going to summarize the results and post back? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Salaried > > #1. Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case > primary needs help with your specialty. > No flex time/compensation,

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information to "get me". I am not so foolish as to assume it can't be done, but... Nikki -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I will say this,

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Note item 1, and the "computer-employee exemption." -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/

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39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work +1 on the floor mat comment. What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... Dave Lum -Original Message- From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM To: NT S

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id Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: After-hours work > > +1 on the floor mat comment. > > What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... > > Dave Lum > > > -Original Message---

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On 18 Aug 2008 at 15:06, Ziots, Edward wrote: > I will say this, > > You know these emails, can be monitored and looked at through Google, and if > you are discussing how you are going to "stick it to the man" you think they > be stupid enough not to look at your internet coorespondence and ter

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On 18 Aug 2008 at 11:12, Nikki Peterson - OETX wrote: > They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR > of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. > > Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, > I'd be

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,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work Salaried #1. Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case primary needs

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my "boss"or > "company" is a good guy. Bottom line, if they can, they will. > > > > Nikki > > > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:35 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: After-hours wor

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one they would need to pull the information to "get me". I am not so foolish as to assume it can't be done, but... Nikki -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hou

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I recommend it, Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After

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On 18 Aug 2008 at 16:46, Ziots, Edward wrote: > I recommend it, > > Z > > Edward E. Ziots > Network Engineer > Lifespan Organization > MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA > Phone: 401-639-3505 So is that your real name and address? -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5

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System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work > This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hou