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Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
If that's the way you want to go, two cheap WAPs will provide what you
want - one secured, the other not, on different frequencies.
You still need a sufficiently intelligent
: Saturday, 21 February 2009 3:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Actually, your shade example is a good one. Your closed shades would
stop the random, wanna be burglar from taking a chance on breaking
into your house, and finding nothing. They can't see
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
If that's the way you want to go, two cheap WAPs will provide what you
want - one secured, the other not, on different frequencies.
You still need a sufficiently intelligent firewall to separate the two
into separate
If that's the way you want to go, two cheap WAPs will provide what you
want - one secured, the other not, on different frequencies.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 21:00, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
Unfortunately, that is not always feasible.
#1: You are talking about something that is
You still need a sufficiently intelligent firewall to separate the two
into separate subnets.
If you don't have that, why bother with 2 APs?
Goes right back to both my points - the vast majority of end users don't
know how, and the vast majority of end-user equipment can't do it.
Kurt Buff
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:57, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
You still need a sufficiently intelligent firewall to separate the two
into separate subnets.
If you don't have that, why bother with 2 APs?
Depends on your desired outcome.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
Angus Scott-Fleming wrote:
IMHO such people should set up two networks, then, one insecure for the
legacy devices and one secure for real use.
On 20 Feb 2009 at 23:00, Phil Brutsche wrote:
Unfortunately, that is not always feasible.
#1: You are talking about something that is well
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I can't believe your spell checker isn't working...:)
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From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2009-02-19 5:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
I can't beleive
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LOL!
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Martin Blackstone
mblackst...@gmail.com wrote:
That's my AP password!
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From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:47 PM
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
That's like back in the day.
What's your WEP key?
Here you go:
kgRmViIDIwMDkgYXQgMTU6NTQsIFNlYW4gUmVjdG9yICB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBI
Don't write
+
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
That's like back in the day.
What's your WEP key?
Here you go
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
That's like back in the day.
What's your WEP key?
Here you go:
kgRmViIDIwMDkgYXQgMTU6NTQsIFNlYW4gUmVjdG9yICB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBI
Don't write it down!
-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19
One of my neighbors does :-)
René
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
WEP? Who in the good lord still uses it and thinks they are secure? WPA2
TKIP
security.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea
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his = Shook's
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From: Peter van Houten [mailto:peter...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2009-02-20 9:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
I think that's why Martin [with his tongue firmly in his cheek] said
My final rebuttal is this: There is no value in an aspect of security
or security process that can not be quantified. To do so is therefor
meaningless, and therefore has no value - other than some human oddity
that makes you personally feel good about doing it.
Im going to go pull the shades
Actually, your shade example is a good one. Your closed shades would
stop the random, wanna be burglar from taking a chance on breaking
into your house, and finding nothing. They can't see that you have
stuff through your windows. They just want quick cash, so they walk
next door and
People that have a Nintendo DS, or other legacy devices that aren't capable
of anything newer.
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Mike Gill
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
WEP? Who
That doesnt actually equate to a network based intrusion at all. You
cant simply see through a port and identify valuable data on the other
side. An intrusion still has to take place.
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Eric Brouwer er...@forestpost.com wrote:
Actually, your shade
On 20 Feb 2009 at 9:01, Mike Gill wrote:
People that have a Nintendo DS, or other legacy devices that aren't capable of
anything newer.
IMHO such people should set up two networks, then, one insecure for the legacy
devices and one secure for real use.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
+1
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
IMHO such people should set up two networks, then, one insecure for the legacy
devices and one secure for real use.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
Unfortunately, that is not always feasible.
#1: You are talking about something that is well beyond the skill set of
99.9% of end users
#2: Outside of wireless routers capable of running DD-WRT 99.9% of
the cheap $#*() crap @ Best Buy, Fry's, Office Max, Office Depot, etc
are incapable
Yea but, this is an admin list.
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote:
#1: You are talking about something that is well beyond the skill set of
99.9% of end users
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
Mmm... this doesn't sound like a popup that I am familiar with Windows
being capable of generating. It won't even pop up that message with a
Wide Open wireless connection (No password needed).
Could it be the security center letting you know that the firewall is
off, windows update is off, or
Is there a no-security wireless network in range and do you allow automatic
connections to it?
If so, and your Netgear was temporarily unavailable, it might connect to it,
thus producing the message.
Or the message is simply false and showing up due to an error in the driver.
Rules of thumb
: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Mmm... this doesn't sound like a popup that I am familiar with Windows
being capable of generating. It won't even pop up that message with a
Wide Open wireless connection (No password needed).
Could
What is the exact text of the message?
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote:
I hope this is on topic. I have a Dell 700m laptop and a Netgear rangemax
mimo G router. I'm using WPA2, but from time to time, a baloon pops up
from the icon in the
card
in a ThinkPad T60.
- Andy O.
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Mmm... this doesn't sound like a popup that I am familiar with Windows
: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Mmm... this doesn't sound like a popup that I am familiar with Windows
being capable of generating. It won't even pop up that message with a
Wide Open wireless connection (No password needed).
Could
[mailto:andyognen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
I've seen that happen too, with the plain old Windows wireless client. WPA2 in
my instance, as well. I never did figure out what the problem was but I
stopped
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From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:andyognen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
I've seen that happen too, with the plain old Windows wireless client.
WPA2 in my instance, as well. I never did figure out
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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
IMO, Dell's software is far better than Windows... And they supported
WPA2 well before Windows did.
From: David Mazzaccaro
From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
In terms of securing, I've seen recommendations to NOT have the router
broadcast its SID as well as using MAC filtering. I'm sure all can likely
He's right on the money. Security through obscurity is a false
security.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should
obscurity is a false security.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea
security.
Sean Rector, MCSE
*From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:47 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea of security
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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea of security. For anyone who really wants to get in,
working around MAC filtering and non
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Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Thanks to everyone for your comments. I am using WPA2 and I do have my SSID
broadcast turned off. This is a home network. On any given evening, I can see
anywhere from 5 to 9 wifi signals of neighbors routers, and I figure that
anyone looking
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Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
I really hate this trite expression. It's filled with condecension and
a my way is the only right way point of view. It fails to value the
role of obscurity in security.
If obscurity had no value, honeypots would be useless.
If obscurity
[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea of security. For anyone who really wants to get in,
working around MAC
Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those recommendations should be dismissed, they are so
yesterday's idea of security. For anyone who really wants to get in,
working around MAC filtering and non-broadcast SID's is a piece of cake.
Secure the router or access point
Is this at home?
For personal implementations, I follow Bruce's advice:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:33, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote:
I hope this is on topic. I have a Dell 700m laptop and
Yes
MMF
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Is this at home?
For personal implementations, I follow Bruce's advice:
http://www.wired.com/politics
I can't beleive that guy is a CTO.
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this at home?
For personal implementations, I follow Bruce's advice:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110
On Thu,
I can't either. He's definitely one of my role models - I love his
books and blogs - although I don't agree with him at all points, his
style of reasoning and expressing himself places him at the top of the
industry.
Kurt
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 14:42, Micheal Espinola Jr
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Is this at home?
For personal implementations, I follow Bruce's advice:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/0
1/securitymatters_0110
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:33, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org
on the money. Security through obscurity is a false security.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
No no no. Those
, February 19, 2009 4:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Thanks to everyone for your comments. I am using WPA2 and I do have my SSID
broadcast turned off. This is a home network. On any given evening, I can
see anywhere from 5 to 9 wifi signals of neighbors routers
at the router.
-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Is this at home?
For personal implementations, I follow Bruce's advice:
http://www.wired.com/politics
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ZWN1cml0eS4gDQoNClNTSUQgaGlkaW5nIGFuZCBNQUMgZmlsdGVyaW5nIGlzIHVzZWxlc3MgYWdh
Gah! It's happening again!
He said this:
On 19 Feb 2009 at 15:54, Sean Rector wrote:
He's right on the money. Security through obscurity is a false
security.
SSID hiding and MAC filtering is useless against the real bad guys, and
the automated tools now work around those two things
That's my AP password!
-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
T24gMTkgRmViIDIwMDkgYXQgMTU6NTQsIFNlYW4gUmVjdG9yICB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBI/7RzIHJp
SBO?
-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
Gah! It's happening again!
He said this:
On 19 Feb 2009 at 15:54, Sean Rector wrote:
He's right on the money
: SECURING WIFI ROUTER
T24gMTkgRmViIDIwMDkgYXQgMTU6NTQsIFNlYW4gUmVjdG9yICB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBI/7RzIHJp
Z2h0IG9uIHRoZSBtb25leS4gU2VjdXJpdHkgdGhyb3VnaCBvYnNjdXJpdHkgaXMgYSBmYWxzZSBz
ZWN1cml0eS4gDQoNClNTSUQgaGlkaW5nIGFuZCBNQUMgZmlsdGVyaW5nIGlzIHVzZWxlc3MgYWdh
Small bowel obstruction
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
SBO?
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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