RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn't... -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Erik Goldoff
It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability. ( or bloat the os more with dual capability ??? ) Chicken or the Egg ? Erik Goldoff

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 We've heard that before. Maybe this time it will come true. Modern BIOSes usually don't take more than a few seconds to boot, so that seems like a non-issue. The single

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability.  ( or bloat the os

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
No more BIOS? That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard - press F1 to continue :-( James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 05:59:49 AM: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread James Kerr
Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message - From: James Rankin To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
Perhaps it is BIAS? James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 08:21:15 AM: Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message - From: James Rankin To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: The end of the BIOS is

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: No more BIOS?  That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard - press F1 to continue   :-( Oh, I'm sure IBM's implementation of $NEW_THING will retain their error messages. They've held on for 30 years, why would

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andy Shook
I found the picture of the floppy disk quite hilarious. Shook From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Houseman
It's all about names and marketing. The underlying and overall function of the firmware must still be the same. But this is NEW! and You Need It to be on the cutting edge. It wouldn't have the same promotional value had it been called BIOS 2.0 or NGBIOS. For sure, compatibility is a

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Maglinger, Paul
Like the Y2K issue? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Something like that... *ASB* * * On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Like the Y2K issue? *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: The end of the

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Like the Y2K issue? It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Paul Gordon
But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee or even you-ee-fee These things matter!!! J Paul G. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 To: NT

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Jonathan Link
Probably the same thing we call our equipment. You effing mo... Oh, sorry. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Paul Gordon paul_gor...@hotmail.comwrote: But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we’re all used to saying “Bye-ohs”, what about UEFI??? – perhaps “You-fee” or how about

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
Reminds me of a university choral organization to which I belong... A breathing exercise/warm-up has us going F... S... SH... repeaditly. All I can think when doing this is, Hey, that's been my whole afternoon! Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 11:32:43 AM:

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andy Shook
Awesome. Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba. Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key so you can dun git into th' configurin' screen 'n such Shook From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
However, the universal reply is always Byte me From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... Awesome. Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba. Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread James Kerr
You think people will be reading the archives of this list in the around year 3000? - Original Message - From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Jonathan Link
What about the 2038 problem? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many

Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: What about the 2038 problem? That's a somewhat different beast. Y2K is mainly a human factors problem, as it's humans who like two-digit years, not computers. (Contrary to popular belief, data storage capacity was

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Don Guyer
That's OK, it's all over by 2012. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Jonathan Link

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
Don't forget 12/21/2012... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... What about the 2038 problem? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
I was more commenting in the laziness of people. -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare