Re: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups)

2009-09-16 Thread Don Kuhlman
@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:58:36 AM Subject: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups) Using good ol' NTBackup at all my garage clients I used to do full's on weekends and incrementals other times, until I had to do some restores back to back...holy Mother

Re: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups)

2009-09-16 Thread RichardMcClary
AM Subject: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups) Using good ol' NTBackup at all my garage clients I used to do full's on weekends and incrementals other times, until I had to do some restores back to back...holy Mother of God that's a long way around! I went to fulls

Re: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups)

2009-09-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
space with Full/Diffs vs Full/Incr ? Don K - Original Message From: David Lum david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:58:36 AM Subject: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups) Using

RE: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups)

2009-09-16 Thread David Lum
: Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups) Yes, potentially. But, the primary goal of backups is recovery. You have to balance the ongoing space needs with the time to restore. With a disk only solution, speed is a little more in your favor, but using DIFFs rather than INCR backups

Diff backups (was RE: Restores from Incremental backups)

2009-09-15 Thread David Lum
EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restores from Incremental backups Agreed. Synthetic Fulls have been

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-14 Thread Andy Ognenoff
, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restores from Incremental backups To answer your query, software *can* make it easier. TSM (Tivoli Storage Manager) does a perpetual incremental and it always, by default shows

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-14 Thread John Cook
-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -Original Message- From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:andyognen...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restores from Incremental backups On the smaller end of the price

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-14 Thread Andy Ognenoff
Been using Retrospect in this capacity since 2006 so maybe the concept is catching on. :) - Andy O. -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restores from Incremental backups

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-14 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Agreed. Synthetic Fulls have been around for a while. -sc -Original Message- From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:andyognen...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restores from Incremental backups Been using Retrospect in this capacity

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 10 Sep 2009 at 15:47, jesse-r...@wi.rr.com wrote: Currently my backup plan consists of doing Incrementals Mon-Thu, and a Full on Friday. This has worked well. I do DIFFERENTIAL rather than INCREMENTAL for my daily backups. That means I have a two-tape restore in the case of a complete

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, jesse-r...@wi.rr.com jesse-r...@wi.rr.com wrote: I understand the whole differential versus incremental pros/cons. ... So, that's why I was wondering about an easier method to restore incremental backups. If you really understand, why are you looking for

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Bunting
I think the point was the software (BackupExec, I'm guessing) should be able to understand incremental restores and not rely on the operator to have to manually find select each incremental copy for the restore. I always thought that was an obvious feature it lacked. Not being able to tell be

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread jesse-r...@wi.rr.com
: - From: Jeff Bunting bunting.j...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:22:23 -0400 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups I think the point was the software (BackupExec, I'm guessing) should be able to understand incremental restores and not rely

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Stovall
Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups EXACTLY Jeff. That is specifically what I am talking about. My original question was trying to figure out a way Backup Exec can make this easier and was wondering if there was some feature, or wizard - whatever, that I was NOT aware of. You read my mind

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeff Bunting bunting.j...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point was the software (BackupExec, I'm guessing) should be able to understand incremental restores and not rely on the operator to have to manually find select each incremental copy for the restore.

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Mayo, Bill
handles selecting the right files automatically. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeff Bunting bunting.j

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Mayo, Bill bem...@pittcountync.gov wrote: If you want to restore a whole directory or drive, you just select it and it will automatically restore it to the most recent versions of all the current files. Oh, I was thinking about a full system restore, not a

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Erik Goldoff
, Security _ From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups I think the point was the software (BackupExec, I'm guessing) should be able to understand incremental restores

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-11 Thread Devin Meade
, Networks, Security From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups I think the point was the software (BackupExec, I'm guessing) should

Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread jesse-r...@wi.rr.com
Currently my backup plan consists of doing Incrementals Mon-Thu, and a Full on Friday. This has worked well. IF I switch to a Full once a month, and Incrementals each day for the remainder of the month how difficult does this make my restores? Lets say on October 1st I do a Full backup. I have

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Kurt Buff
Yes, there is a much easier way. Do your Full, then don't do Incrementals. Do Differentials instead. A full Restore from Full/Differentials only requires that you have the latest Full and latest Differential. A full Restore from Full/Incrementals requires that you have the latest Full, plus all

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Richard Stovall
. -Original Message- From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Restores from Incremental backups Currently my backup plan consists of doing Incrementals Mon-Thu, and a Full on Friday. This has worked well

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Richard Stovall
, September 10, 2009 4:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups Yes, there is a much easier way. Do your Full, then don't do Incrementals. Do Differentials instead. A full Restore from Full/Differentials only requires that you have the latest Full and latest

RE: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Erik Goldoff
PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Restores from Incremental backups Currently my backup plan consists of doing Incrementals Mon-Thu, and a Full on Friday. This has worked well. IF I switch to a Full once a month, and Incrementals each day for the remainder of the month how difficult does

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread jesse-r...@wi.rr.com
with differentials. So, that's why I was wondering about an easier method to restore incremental backups. Regards. Original Message: - From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:05:44 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Restores from

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Kurt Buff
-software.com Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups Yes, there is a much easier way. Do your Full, then don't do Incrementals. Do Differentials instead. A full Restore from Full/Differentials only requires that you have the latest Full and latest Differential. A full Restore from Full

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread jesse-r...@wi.rr.com
-software.com Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups As I said, a highly dynamic set of data will hurt your cause with Differentials - they grow in size until the next Full. You'll have to calculate that for your environment by looking at the size of your Incrementals, and seeing how much

Re: Restores from Incremental backups

2009-09-10 Thread Kurt Buff
.  More of a deduplication backup, but it's also more expensive.  Sounds fun to play with though!! Original Message: - From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:25:44 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Restores from Incremental backups