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Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question The MCSE certification is like any education, it is all in what you make of it. If you study for the MCSE and learn from it like any other class it is to your benefit. The MCSE was my first certification 15 yrs ago. Since that time I have gained

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fl.us> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Something I haven't seen mentioned in this mega long thread (assuming anyone is still reading). While I don't have an certs, I

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David Lum david@nwea.org Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:06:48 -0800 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Something I haven't seen mentioned in this mega long thread (assuming anyone is still reading). While I don't have an certs, I *have* taken severa

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ezi...@lifespan.org Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Something I haven'

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a bitchin' resume - unless you're looking for certs/degrees :). Dave From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question John, I think that the relevance of college degrees in the 21st

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nt to be in a position where I can play the game as the landscape shifts. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Joh

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ruary 06, 2009 1:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's a signpost up a

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be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimensi

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, John Hornbuckle wrote: > This is critical because there has traditionally been > somewhat of a disconnect between business and IT ... I find there is somewhat of a disconnect between business and most people. It's really quite astounding how many people don't

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appened to Friday funny? -troy -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Beer = men Shook From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Se

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l.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question John, I think that the relevance of college degrees in the 21st century will depend greatly on the cost of attending college either A) continuing to spiral out of control in relation

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They don't need to be free ever since I stole your identity. :-P From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Beer = men Shook From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]

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, February 06, 2009 3:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question TVK is always down for free beer.. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: ezi...@lifespan.org<mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org> Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, N

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Beer = men Shook From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question TVK is always down for free beer.. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

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out, then no one other than the extremely wealthy, will have college degrees 10 years from now. YOMV, TVK From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I think that trend

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, February 06, 2009 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I'm there...As long as you're buying Sherry. :-) From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: S

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From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Then they'll just get drunk and argue who has the bigger cert From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:sab

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I'm there...As long as you're buying Sherry. :) From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Sheesh, sounds like somebody needs to find a happy hour pub and go

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Oddly, somebody has a case of the Monday's on a Friday! :-) -- ME2 On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote: > Sheesh, sounds like somebody needs to find a happy hour pub and go there > now.. > > -- > Sherry Abercrombie > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistin

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Then they'll just get drunk and argue who has the bigger cert From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Sheesh, sounds like somebody nee

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NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question As opposed to 'incline knowledge' ? -Original Message- From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question By co

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Sheesh, sounds like somebody needs to find a happy hour pub and go there now.. -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

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As opposed to 'incline knowledge' ? -Original Message- From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question By continuing to misspell every other word, you are reiterating

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Read your post below from 1:10, and then reconsider throwing your stones. -Original Message- From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question By continuing to misspell every other

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em Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I think that trend will end, though, as we move forward in the 21st century. I suspect that more and more employers will expect the IT pros they hire to have degrees and the knowledge that (hopefully) comes with them. The Master's

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min Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question By continuing this arguement and defence about points, missing points, and concepts, you are reitterating discussions no one wants to have here. The fail train has now arrived at the station. All aboard! :-) -- ME2 On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:0

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to:jeremy.phill...@azaleos.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question All valid points, and I was not in any way discounting the value inherent in possessing a degree. My ultimate point was that I've never seen them to be a

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Come on ride that train...let's ride it! (woo woo) Shook -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question By continuing this arguement and de

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t; > -Original Message- > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:12 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question > > Especially when arguing by one's self. Please note that no one eve

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Jeremy Phillips From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question While it's certainly true that people can find success without a degree, that's the exception r

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ruary 06, 2009 3:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question IMO, certs may help identify a potential job candidate as someone with the drive, determination and discipline to study for and pass certain exams. I agree that it in no way helps identify someone qualified fo

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ote: > > A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ... > > Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his > class in med school? > A: "Doctor". > --- > > -Original Message----- >

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6, 2009 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Especially when arguing by one's self. Please note that no one ever said anything in response dealing with politics. TVK -Original Message- From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Friday,

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Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I was in consulting for ~6.5 year, both direct and subcontracting to other consulting firms, and would argue the opposite actually. I've never had any Microsoft certs and don't have a college degree. Out of hundreds of engagements

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2009 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question I was in consulting for ~6.5 year, both direct and subcontracting to other consulting firms, and would argue the opposite actually. I've never had any Microsoft certs and don't have a college degree. Out

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, 2009 11:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question TOOT! TOOT! Can you hear it? The fail train is coming down the tracks! -- ME2 On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote: > No, it wasn't your point. And you second assertion has nothing to

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ly see how they ever could... That being said this is surely an interesting thread so far. Thanks, Jeremy Phillips From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@theessentialexchange.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Bah. You

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ure. :-) > TVK > > -Original Message- > From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:00 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question > > That is exactly my point and a good example of this is why we didn

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Your right, it wasn't my point and you fell right into it. But im not sure if you would understand that... -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE que

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MCSE question Your right, this is way OT. it's actually stupid arguing politics. It accomplishes nothing really... -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCS

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Your right, this is way OT. it's actually stupid arguing politics. It accomplishes nothing really... -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:pa...@mmcwm.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Elect

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06, 2009 7:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Experience can just as easily = learning from someone else's mistake. It does not inherently require that a person make the mistake themselves. From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Thursd

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nt: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question That is exactly my point and a good example of this is why we didn't vote for mcfail. We learned from mcbush. F

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o: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Experience can just as easily = learning from someone else's mistake. It does not inherently require that a person make the mistake themselves. From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:27

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od...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Ben, That is really scary when you think about that On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ben Scott mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06

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But those facts are nearly as fun to throw around when one is a liberal/socialist. ;-) -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:spars...@scetv.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Sen. Kerry, Sen

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You are odd, yes! On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > > > > > *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 6 February 2009 11:06 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question > > > &g

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--Original Message- From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class in law/military school? A: "President Georg

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-Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Dennis Rogov wrote: >> I strongly belive that for someone who has been in

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From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Ken, I would have to disagree with that. To have Practical Experience you do have to have 'some' understanding of the theo

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ubject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote: > A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ... Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class in med school? A: "Doctor". -- Ben ~ Finally, pow

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, February 05, 2009 4:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Ben, That is really scary when you think about that On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote: > A doctor. who is certified

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Ben, That is really scary when you think about that On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez > wrote: > > A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ... > > Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom

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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote: > A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ... Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class in med school? A: "Doctor". -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!

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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Dennis Rogov wrote: > I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with > Windows platform should have an MCSE. I have no major vendor certifications. I'll put my IT skills against any Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert, and wager goo

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are plenty of people who have practical experience who don't > understand the theory behind what they are doing. > > > > Cheers > > Ken > > > > *From:* Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 6 February 2009 9:45 AM > *To:* NT

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As long as you can create a shortcut on the desktop -Original Message- From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question IT achievement: I was almost able to completely

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From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview? It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but

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05, 2009 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not kidding. Really.. not kidding. He lasted about one week. From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] S

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in a practical situation. But there are plenty of people who have practical experience who don't understand the theory behind what they are doing. Cheers Ken From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT:

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Why did you him then Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Jacob" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:44:51 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. N

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lto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not kidding. Really.. not kidding. He lasted about one week. From: Garcia-Moran,

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: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have learned noth

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really do not have a choice. Well you could always quit or asked to go back to TAC. "From The Sunny Side Of The Street !" Cliff P. From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 13:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE que

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dealt that card. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:01:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question As a qualified candidate making a lateral career move, am I going to recover the $1000 or s

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blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Best r

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o.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question My belief having an mcse just means that you went through the proccess and passed all the exams and you have a foundation. I would be the last pers

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re the qualified guy and pay for the tests than the semi qualified guy and not pay for the tests. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPEC

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windows environment passing exams should be a joke and I don't see any excuses why one shouldn't do it... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Garcia-Moran, Carlos" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:42:27 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPEC

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y 05, 2009 1:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \ consulting engagement \ pre-sales meeting. Necessary evil, in my mind. I hate the rat race but I keep current as it "validates" me

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o.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost impossible to land a managment position Sent from my Verizon Wireless Black

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kills , prior to his hiring > he was a carpenter but decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a > small company as desktop support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was > the major factor in the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS! > > > > F

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Best reason I've heard yet for not getting a degree. :-P From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However with

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mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, power

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PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Certs are just a piece of paper... On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>> wrote: i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I strongly belive that

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29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who have no MS certs and never will. Likewise, someone who kn

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: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

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> *From:* "Ziots, Edward" > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM > *Subject:* RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question > > Point taken, > > > > Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time f

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much trouble. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question i think it really depands on your IT department and the

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certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.   From: "Ziots, Edward" To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question P

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+, Network + From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security folks, it is of little to no value. Some of us

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For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security folks, it is of little to no value. Some of us like being Sys Admins. :) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE