Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Robert Kern
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:35 PM Ryan May wrote: > When experts say that something is a bad idea, and when the people who >> a CoC is supposed to protect says it makes them feel unsafe, I feel >> like we should listen to that. >> >> I also thought that the points made in the Jupyter discussion thre

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Ryan May wrote: > So I hear all the arguments about people feeling unsafe due to some truly > despicable, discriminatory behavior, and I want absolutely no parts of > protecting that. However, I also recognize that we in the U.S. are in a > particularly divisive atm

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Ryan May
> > When experts say that something is a bad idea, and when the people who > a CoC is supposed to protect says it makes them feel unsafe, I feel > like we should listen to that. > > I also thought that the points made in the Jupyter discussion thread > made a lot of sense: of course it's possible f

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Nathan Goldbaum > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum >>> wrote: I realize this was probably brought

[Numpy-discussion] Proposal to accept NEP-18, __array_function__ protocol

2018-08-01 Thread Stephan Hoyer
I propose to accept NEP-18, "A dispatch mechanism for NumPy’s high level array functions": http://www.numpy.org/neps/nep-0018-array-function-protocol.html Since the last round of discussion, we added a new section on "Callable objects generated at runtime" clarifying that to handle such objects is

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Ian Henriksen
This. Even from a US perspective, we really need to not let political division into even more apparently non-political things. As far as I can tell, the current language seems to be there to specifically avoid that. It isn't there to allow discrimination if someone tries to claim they're making a p

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Nathan Goldbaum > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum >>> wrote: >>> I realize this was probably b

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Ilhan Polat
I agree with Ralf. That thread is more towards a US based separation. Actually we briefly touched upon these on the SciPy side but indeed there was no real discussion. Political beliefs (especially communism in US for a practical example) can offend some people and that's OK because being offended

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Nathan Goldbaum wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum >> wrote: >> >>> I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the >>> scipy code of conduct which I h

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Nathan Goldbaum wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum >> wrote: >>> >>> I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy >>> code of conduct which

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Nathan Goldbaum
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum > wrote: > >> I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy >> code of conduct which I have not looked at, but I’m troubled by the >> inclusion of “political bel

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum wrote: > I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy > code of conduct which I have not looked at, but I’m troubled by the > inclusion of “political beliefs” in the document. > It was not brought up explicitly as far

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Adoption of a Code of Conduct

2018-08-01 Thread Nathan Goldbaum
I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy code of conduct which I have not looked at, but I’m troubled by the inclusion of “political beliefs” in the document. See e.g. https://github.com/jupyter/governance/pull/5 As a thought experiment, what if someone’s politica