On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:04 AM Charles R Harris
wrote:
> I was opposed to having a list in the first place, because the longer such
> a list is, the more significant the omissions become. And indeed, the
> arguments I have seen for omitting "politics" are that one should be
> allowed to discrimin
> On 28. Jul 2018, at 00:02, Stefan van der Walt wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> A while ago, SciPy (the library) adopted its Code of Conduct:
> https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/dev/conduct/code_of_conduct.html
>
> We worked hard to make that document friendly, while at the same time
> st
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Robert Kern wrote:
> A CoC has to pull a kind of double
> duty: be friendly enough to digest for a newcomer and also be helpful to
> project organizers to make tough balancing decisions. We don't have to
> expect each sentence to pull that double duty on its own. I
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> What if someone is wearing a religious symbol?
>
> If one is concerned about horrible beliefs or opinions, there are a
> good deal of them in many religious ("holy") books (*), yet CoCs are
> generally meant to prohibit discrimination based
On 08/02/2018 09:25 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:35 AM, Marten van Kerkwijk
> mailto:m.h.vankerkw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think a legalistic focus on the letter rather than the spirit of
> the code of conduct is not that helpful (and probably what makes if
>
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:35 AM, Marten van Kerkwijk <
m.h.vankerkw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we do end up with a different version, I'd prefer a really short one,
> like just stating the golden rule (treat others as one would like to be
> treated oneself).
>
Unfortunately, the golden rule is some
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:26:35 -0700
Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Ryan May wrote:
> > So I hear all the arguments about people feeling unsafe due to some truly
> > despicable, discriminatory behavior, and I want absolutely no parts of
> > protecting that. However, I also
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:35 AM, Marten van Kerkwijk <
m.h.vankerkw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think a legalistic focus on the letter rather than the spirit of the
> code of conduct is not that helpful (and probably what makes if feel US
> centric - funny how court systems end up shaping countries).
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Ralf Gommers
> wrote:
> >
>
> >> For another perspective on this issue see
> >> https://where.coraline.codes/blog/oscon/, where Coraline Ada describes
> her
> >> reasons for not speaking at OSCON this year d
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Robert Kern wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:35 PM Ryan May wrote:
>
>> When experts say that something is a bad idea, and when the people who
>>> a CoC is supposed to protect says it makes them feel unsafe, I feel
>>> like we should listen to that.
>>>
>>> I al
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Robert Kern wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:35 PM Ryan May wrote:
>
>> When experts say that something is a bad idea, and when the people who
>>> a CoC is supposed to protect says it makes them feel unsafe, I feel
>>> like we should listen to that.
>>>
>>> I al
On Thu, 2018-08-02 at 12:04 +0200, Sylvain Corlay wrote:
> The "political belief" was recently removed from the Jupyter CoC.
>
> One reason for this decision is that Racism and Sexism are
> increasingly considered as mainstream "political beliefs", and we
> wanted to make it clear that people can
On Thu, 2018-08-02 at 05:47 -0700, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Stefan van der Walt ey.edu> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Please take a look at the latest roadmap proposal:
> >
> > https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/11611
> >
> > This is a living document, so
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Stefan van der Walt
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please take a look at the latest roadmap proposal:
>
> https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/11611
>
> This is a living document, so can easily be modified in the future, but
> we'd like to get in place a document that
I think a legalistic focus on the letter rather than the spirit of the code
of conduct is not that helpful (and probably what makes if feel US centric
- funny how court systems end up shaping countries).
My preference would be to keep exactly the scipy version, so that at least
for these two highl
The "political belief" was recently removed from the Jupyter CoC.
One reason for this decision is that *Racism and Sexism are increasingly
considered as mainstream "political beliefs"*, and we wanted to make it
clear that people can still be sanctioned for e.g. sexist or racist
behavior when engag
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