Saya lihat di spreadsheet tahun 2007E ada beberapa kelemahan:
1.tax-nya kok bisa positif, harusnya negatif -- mengurangi keuntungan dan
bukan malah menambah keuntungan. Spreadsheet ini jelas salah.
2.saya lihat cara hitung cost-nya linear, dan harusnya tidak boleh linear
untuk semua resou
Dear senior,
Untuk melengkapi pembelajaran ilmu TA, bisakah para senior
merekomendasikan buku untuk belajar FA (fundamental analysis) yang
bagus untuk pemula? Bisa yang bahasa indonesia maupun bahasa english,
mulai dari yang dasar (penjelasan ttg EPS, PER, dll).
Mungkin Pak Eka Suwardana, Pak Sude
Beli di pasar tunai, tindakan short selling jelas ilegal dan merupakan tindakan
kriminal dalam undang-undang pasar modal.
salam,
Tommy Jayamudita
- Original Message -
From: Gidion Simamora
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject:
Habis ngeshort ? Hahaha, makanya jangan gegabah dalam main short.
Bisa saja anda beli di pasar tunai/pasar nego hari Senin, sehingga biarpun jual
hari Jumat nggak akan gagal serah.
Peraturan yg ane tahu terakhir kalo gagal serah kena 150% (lebih tinggi 50%),
gak tahu kalo ada peraturan yg lebih
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "budi machribie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hi Julyanto,
>
> Keuntungan menjadi seorang Trader
> - kaya
> - pintar
> - lihay
>
> Resiko seorang Trader
> - stress tinggi
> - bangkrut
> - ketegangan dalam keluarga
> - monitor
Bung Deden,
Orang berusaha tentu untuk mendapatkan hasil tapi itu diimbangkan dengan
meminimalkan sebuah risiko dan menambah manfaat bagi anda dan keluarga
Apakah Bandar mau memberi manfaat pada anda, apabila mengalami risiko >>> no
way
Kan ada pepatah “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”
Hi... Hi.. Hi...
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, barang rombengan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> maaf om halim, trader yg gila tsb sebenarnya gak gila
> tp itulah trader yg oye punya karna ia yakin dan liat
> bahwa trader2 lain lg jd suster ngesot, so dg sedikit
> serangan, dia berhasil men
Hi Julyanto,
Dari tanggapan anda saya menarik kesimpulan bahwa anda penganut Buddha -
perihal kata pencerahan sepertinya masih banyak aliran yang lebih kuno
darinya yang tidak kalah tingkatannya contohnya Zoroaster di Persia 600 SM
menggunakan lambang api (Bengkau menurut versi BuKi), Akhenaton "t
Dear para suhu,
Mau nanya sekalian mau belajar nih.
Dalam case CPRO, kalau ada yang short kemarin Jumat dan sampai closing gak
dapat barang untuk nutupin short sell-nya, gimana ya? Apa ada istilah black
market yang berarti pindah tangan saham diluar transaksi BEJ?
Kalau ini terjadi apak
mungkin ini salah satu bentuk profit taking dalam dunia saham..he..he
budi machribie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jadikanlah moto berikut ini menjadi
kenyataan
"Be tough, brave and also smart by following the Sun Life way and protected
brilliantly"
Keuntungan menjadi seorang Trader
- kaya
- pin
saat pemerintahan SBY ini kan index bisa naik banyak tuh ?
kalo SBY jatuhbagaimana nasib index ? apakah
pasar saham masih bisa bersemangat seperti skr ini ?
- Original Message -
From: "budi machribie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: [obrolan-ba
Pak Mod, protes !!!
Nanti saya juga mengenalkan dokter jantung dan penasehat perkawinan.
HA
budi machribie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jadikanlah moto berikut ini menjadi kenyataan
"Be tough, brave and also smart by following the Sun Life way and protected
brilliantly"
Keuntung
Jadikanlah moto berikut ini menjadi kenyataan
"Be tough, brave and also smart by following the Sun Life way and protected
brilliantly"
Keuntungan menjadi seorang Trader
- kaya
- pintar
- lihay
Resiko seorang Trader
- stress tinggi
- bangkrut
- ketegangan dala
memang seharusnya informasi sebelum market close seperti ini yang diperlukan.
On 4/27/07, hilman anugraha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> another, "sedia payung sebelum hujan" message. thanks.
>
> sensex had rallied ~20% from last feb27, china even more. I agree. Time
> to book and reduce exposu
Hello budi,
Sekedar menginformasikan, pada dasarnya memang didunia ini, kata pencerahan
pertama kali itu digunakan ketika Siddharta Gautama mencapai tingkat
ke-Buddha-annya, jadi kalau ada pengetahuan yang lain yang ingin
disamakan dengan hal itu, ya terserah sipemakai.
Yang jelas pencerahan yang
Another FEAR & GREED emerges on & on at the surface again - Let's profit
from both of them instead
:) Pls separate your OPINION with the FACT that actually risen
Regards,
Aria
_
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Michael So
Sent: Fri
gw masih pemula nih, ada yg bisa jelasin ga apakah warrant itu ?
dan bagaimana mekanisme nya ?
misal warrant BTEK
exercise price 125 <--- ? maksudnya ?
bagaimana kalo terjadi harga warrant saat ini > 125, cth 200 gt ?
trading period 14 mei 04 - 7 may 07 <--- ? maksudnya ?
exercise date 14 nov 04
Iya nih pak, seperti di UNSP kalo senin ini bobol di 1440 mau nebeng
dikit ah..
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Earwicker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Like I said before, Agriculture has VERY STRONG GROWTH this month.
It's not
> too late at all. I don't know what's happening but th
MetalCash 3 Months 15 Months 27 Months
Nickel 50900.0/50925.0 48900.0/48925.0 39575.0/39675.0 33375.0/33475.0
Tin 13325.0/13425.0 13200.0/13300.0 12510.0/12560.0
-By Dow Jones Newswires; 4420-7842-9259;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
LME LATEST - Base metals surge in PM rings as dollar falls, nickel up 4%
-
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
after the stock go down deep in sheet, then you can easily say that price
will go down further to below 11000 or even some prediction indicate below
1. Which one better selling at 14500 and do some SHORT at that level or
waiting the correction happened? Always calculate the risk and return pri
Nickel May Surpass $55,000 a Ton This Year, Standard Bank Says
By Debarati Roy
April 27 (Bloomberg) -- Nickel
prices may surpass this year's record as supplies of the metal used to make
steel resistant to corrosion lags behind demand, Standa
thx 4 the posting..it's more than enough
we learn a lot from u..
we'll very sad to hear that you'll be not avaliable in this millist again,
but surely we hope it's just for a while..:p
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Schubert
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday
There is better to SHORT stock when they fail to break high and one
important things on SHORTING STOCK is consistency and observation. For
instance, ANTM fail to break high, wait for certain indication and you can
see where this stock will end. So do INCO, TINS. Shorting stock in Jakarta
market is
Mr. Lee, what do you think of Mr. FS's posting r/e index going to 2026 before
retreating to 1960 (maybe ard that level)...it's so close. I know I will be
holding some of the stocks I own but have been holding PTBA for 1 year and it's
not moving much. Any comment? Thanks!
Rgds,
Rei
Lee Cwa
CPRO HABIS
SENIN SERBU WARRANT NYA
1,2,3 kalo ada 4 nya mau diborong zuga
I will miss you, where will you go Sir?
Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dear bros and sis,
today we learn that Indonesian markets should not always follow what happened
across Asia. The bearish Asian markets should not be (often) translated that
"Jakarta will follow s
Bank Danamon 1Q Net Profit Soars 92%
-
Friday, 27 April 2007 11:24:33
StockWatch (Jakarta) - PT Bank Danamon Tbk (BDMN) booked net profit of IDR482
billion in the first quarter of 2007, rising sharply by 92% from IDR251 billion
in the same period of 2006,
OUTLOOK-Indonesia April mth/mth CPI rate to ease from March on softer rice
price
--- By Roffie Kurniawan ---
JAKARTA (XFN-ASIA) - Consumer inflation in April is expected to have come in
at a slower month-on-month pace than in March aided by a fall in the price of
rice, a small majority o
I do like Mr FS posting..
Really logic and many important info he shared..
So will be big lost for this milis if Mr FS stop posting..
Mr FS, please keep posting..
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Schubert
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:40
Koq bingung kan trading termasuk Capitalisme kembaran Imperialisme
Kan ada bearish & bullish kembaran bullshit:-)
_
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Teddy Halim
Sent: 27 April 2007 11:43
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-
Koq bingung kan trading termasuk Capitalisme kembaran Imperialisme
Kan ada bearish & bullish kembaran bullshit:-)
_
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Teddy Halim
Sent: 27 April 2007 11:43
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-
yup,
In the world of dog eats dog, borrowing eyang's terminology, his comments is
somehow consistent. Even sometimes seen as arrogant. Seen as true gentleman.
By the way, why you have to resign the milist anyway?? You are too good for
the people in this milist? Not benefitting you? be
Memang itu yang diharapkan saya sudah ber- siap2 memulung harga yang
berjatuhan :-)
_
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Swing Trader
Sent: 27 April 2007 10:13
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] 2000 LEVEL REACHED,
cewek lah..
namanya aja mira.. klo bukan ceweq masa jadi-jadian..
hehehe..
SemPrul apaan? binun nih..
kayaknya giliran aku yg kudu cari pegangan..
Yup! mo pulang nih.. dah waktunya pulang..
ga baik lembur mulu.. ntar puyeng bos ku ngitungin kenaikan gaji ku..
ga sesuai dengan dedikasi
Daripada daripada pusing lebih baik yg masih termasuk TK beli the Brilliance
dan serahkan Schroder si pemain besar main2 serta menambah investi anda
_
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Pahala Baringbing
Sent: 27 April 2007 10:00
To: obrolan-b
very great attitude i ever seen in this milist.
good luck to you, mr. FS.
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear bros and sis,
> today we learn that Indonesian markets should not always follow
what happened across Asia. The bearish Asian
how about people who buy this stock (ANTM, INCO) using margin and their
margin has reached 50%.
BOZZ will shatter their hope that these stocks can reach 18k and 100k,
because of MARGIN CALL
so... Don't be greedy
be SMART, I think you are SMART investor because you understand FA
from me
SwingTrader
Setelah melihat di monitor trader gila cancel niatnya buat nambah..
nonton doang.. nyalinya ciut
On 4/27/07, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Trader Gila.. tadi malam dapat SMS dari teman..
katanya net profit 1Q07 ANTM >1T
Setelah baca koran hari ini ... trader gila berpikir sejen
Tergantung mira tu cewek atau ….??? Emangnya SG saja yang beri pencerahan?
PruLink itu kembarannya SemPrul..?
_
From: emira octocherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 April 2007 9:38
To: budi machribie
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] PruLink.. Apaan tuh?? Bingung??
Huahaha..
mo p
Wah, knp keluar dari Millis Mr ?
Honestly, investor cilik and bonex like me, will be very apprciate your kind
info (no matter rite or wrong), at least we have, say guidance, and can prepare
in advance. With lack of financial network, your info is really valuable to me
( I believe also
Para suhu
Saya minta hintsnya dong...hehehe DOID,JKSW,HMSP
Sebelumnya Terima kasih atas masukannya
Daniel Wong
mmm lets see in May ...
--- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear bros and sis,
> today we learn that Indonesian markets should not
> always follow what happened across Asia. The bearish
> Asian markets should not be (often) translated that
> "Jakarta will follow suit".
> Monda
Menurut saya jika ada yang seharusnya stop posting di milis ini, that is not
Mr FS, please dont stop posting dong Pak :(((
On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear bros and sis,
today we learn that Indonesian markets should not always follow what
happened across Asia. Th
BHIT kata Pak Guru sih pake Super TA :P, Salah satu contoh banyak Yg
Break New High di daily candlestik sebelomnya tapi gagal Take Off.
Bikin para trader takut untuk masuk BHIT lagi, coba cek aja dailynya,
liat sebelomnya banyak break new high yg gagal. dll
BTW : thx
Dear bros and sis,
today we learn that Indonesian markets should not always follow what happened
across Asia. The bearish Asian markets should not be (often) translated that
"Jakarta will follow suit".
Monday...? I hope the main index will see another new green day before it
reverses at 2026
another, "sedia payung sebelum hujan" message. thanks.
sensex had rallied ~20% from last feb27, china even more. I agree. Time to
book and reduce exposure.
Bettina Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
China will be close next whole week except monday. Just be wise and
prepare f
Di cpro harga tertinggi 2 hari yg lalu adalah 305 nah CPRO tagi pagi
menyentuh 210, Sudah cukup alasan buat masuk diujung 210 karena sudah
break new high di daily.
Tanpa FA pun dah bisa main saham, hati2 aja sama saham yg kurang liquid.
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "fei_lix22" <[EM
Cuma beda 3 poin dari harga kemaren but it is indeed a new high. Will the
index made a new high again next monday ?? Only the market knows :-)
On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i did...several times...giving you all here some infos... which were
good for long term play
JCI 27 April 2007 closed at 2019.676 (new high)
Mr. FS is a very entertaining person
Salute,
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Schubert
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] DON'T SHORT!! .
Selamat Pak selamat
- Original Message -
From: macan cuan
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] CPRO-W buah kesabaran selama 5 bulan
All,..
sekedar sharing...ini yg terjadi pada saya sewaktu CPRO, pertama
amin.. bisa jadi menyenangkan buat semuanya
yg short untung, yg profit taking dan dapat dividen yg ngumpulin barang
sejak 45rb jg untung.. yg nerusin invest jg untung krn dapat harga murah.
bukan begitu bukan?
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:43:14 +0700, Swing Trader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> can
Yap, Your email always on my hot watch list.
U also indicated that there will be mild or strong sell on early next week
due matuirity of some FM and switch to Bond, is still valid Mr ?
Highly appreciate your kind sharing...
Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i d
Pak Oentoeng mana yahh...
mau nanya neh,... what next ???
untuk secondLiner2 yg lain APAKAH masih boleh nunggu panggilan
minta bocorannya
thanks'
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Dodi Aulia"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> CNKO,TMPI,MAMI,...,CPRO, what next Dishare dong infon
thanks Mr.FS, we`ll wait the next news.., btw... do u think that`s a good idea
if we enter some "good" stocks now? or it`s better if we just stay, wait&see
the market for next days.. honestly some of us,of course, got already confused
and in doubt in entering the market.., any opinions? ... have
Setahu saya berita mengenai hal ini sudah ada di koran Investor Daily
beberapa hari yang lalu dan sudah ada juga di milis ini beberapa hari yang
lalu juga.
By the way, untuk Warrant itu apakah tidak ada auto-reject - nya?
Thanks.
Thomas
On 4/27/07, felix krisanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
China will be close next whole week except monday. Just be wise and prepare
for unexpected thing from Chinese government that usually announce the
policy in holiday season.
Nilai tebus w1 = 125, w2= 130, w3=135, w4=135
saat ini harga CPRO adalah 405, maka secara akal sehat nilai wajar w1 = 280, w2
= 275, w3=270, w4=270.
bener2 kesempatan arbitrage yg sangat langka.
Deden Hafid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Masuk akal sih kalau sudah
ada bocorannya, makan
can u see the result? i think bozz will make inco 58500, ok bozz! next 60rb
will become my target
On 4/27/07, Odink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
fyi, bila berdasar lapkeu Q4 waktu itu harga nickel HANYA 31800, harga
nickel saat ini sekitar 47rb.. masih jauuuh
EPS ANTM Q4 = 390 = 1560 annuali
i did...several times...giving you all here some infos... which were good for
long term players...
anyway, the main index today may be closed at another fresh RECORD HIGH.
felix krisanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wah Mr.FS selalu tertawa hehehehe... hebat ya, keep cool even the
mark
CNKO,TMPI,MAMI,...,CPRO, what next Dishare dong infonya, bagi2 rejeki
gitu
On 4/27/07, Deden Hafid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Masuk akal sih kalau sudah ada bocorannya, makanya CPRO diborong
habis-habisan begitu...cuma sayang yg tahu sempet ngshare...:-(
ada yang tahu gak ya atau su
for one year, it's true but not for now.
so, bozz you are challenged to SHORT inco and antm
i am with you bozz and will help you to SHORT these stocks
come on
On 4/27/07, Odink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
fyi, bila berdasar lapkeu Q4 waktu itu harga nickel HANYA 31800, harga
nickel saat ini sek
selamat deh pak..! traktir makan ya hehe..(kenal ngga`?), canda :). akhirnya
kebalas juga tuh lossnya. btw.. pak AJP ada kasih data BIN bersangkutan dgn
cpro ya? gw keki abis pak, maslahnya waktu itu dah dijual di price 215-an,
dikit kali cuannya, cm cukup buat makan sendirian pak, hehe...
la
Kadang hanya 'kebetulan benar' seperti yg sering dikatakan pak Sudes. Saya
juga kebetulan benar kali ini, jual di harga atas menjelang penutupan, murni
kebetulan, saya bukan ahli TA maupun FA saya cuma ingin TP saja walau dengan
resiko ketinggalan rally keatas.
- Original Message -
Fro
Masuk akal sih kalau sudah ada bocorannya, makanya CPRO diborong habis-habisan
begitu...cuma sayang yg tahu sempet ngshare...:-(
ada yang tahu gak ya atau sudah ngitung..wajar si CPRO yang dituju sekarang
berapa? 500..600 ??
Trims
GhuztLenQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
harus nongkron
maksudnya trading room=galery ya? but kadang2 juga yg namanya berita suka
lambet, emang kita diminta hrs spekulasi kayaknya.., makanya i ingin ber?
apakah mungkin kita bisa dapet rumor/berita dg cepat? gimana caranya (selain
dari chart/tren dr shm itu sendiri)?, kalo temen2 milis tau, bagi dong
CPRO laku keras. Barang dagangan ampe habis laku kejual. Tidak ada yang
ngejual lagi.
Edan tenan. Naik 35% dalam sehari. Si bozz jago banget ngomporin saham ini
yak.
On 4/27/07, fei_lix22 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wuihh, cpro FLY? apakah kontrak dipasena jadi ya??
hik..hik.. emang susah kl
All,..
sekedar sharing...ini yg terjadi pada saya sewaktu CPRO, pertama listing di
BEJ. Saya beli warrant-nya CPRO-W di hari pertama waktu itu spekulasi, beli
average di harga 160, karena hari pertama lgs lompat ga keruan,.1000 lot.
Hari kedua apa yg terjadi ??? harga sempet naik 175 me
harus nongkrong di trading room pak. biar kedengaran hebohnya.. dan
ngikuut.
tapi kalau eceran seperti saya..., ya hanya bisa manyun pas ngecek lagi kok
udah ada yg pergi ke "langitan"
On 4/27/07, fei_lix22 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wuihh, cpro FLY? apakah kontrak dipasena jadi ya??
hik.
Numpang tanya bagi yang tahu, mana yang lebih besar
marketnya crude oil atau nickel dan tins? Mana yang
lebih vital kebutuhannya minyak mentah dengan kedua
logam berat tersebut? Kalau dalam waktu singkat minyak
mentah bisa turun dari $ 80an sempat kembali ke $
50an, apakah hal tersebut tidak bisa t
wah Mr.FS selalu tertawa hehehehe... hebat ya, keep cool even the market is
still going,stayed in his own anlysis.. jangan2 Mr. FS emang big player sesuai
dgn namanya, bagi2lah kalo ada bocorannya pak...:)
Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehe...nice nice.
Swing T
wuihh, cpro FLY? apakah kontrak dipasena jadi ya??
hik..hik.. emang susah klo dapet `related info`-nya telat!
oh iya rekan2 gimana-lah ya supaya kita itu bisa dapet info lebih
cepat? ada gak caranya.. mungkin temen2 ada yg bisa kasih info
fyi, bila berdasar lapkeu Q4 waktu itu harga nickel HANYA 31800, harga
nickel saat ini sekitar 47rb.. masih jauuuh
EPS ANTM Q4 = 390 = 1560 annualized
EPS INCO Q4 = $0.267 * IDR 9000 = IDR 2403 atau setara IDR 9612
PER ANTM saat ini = 10x
PER INCO saat ini = 6x
bila PER INCO = 10x seperti
yupz,begitu toh.. tapi mjd semakin bingung deh apakah nantinya ada pengaruh ke
index? ---> Mbah dimana ya... dlm posting dan perkiraanya akan mgkin tjd
bullish dlm 2 bln, nah ini baru 1 blnan, posisi apa yg seharusnya kita ambil
ya?
Oskar Syahbana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hedge f
apalagi yang beli 19 sep 06 kemarin masih sekitar 5000 blom satu thn
sdh cuan berapa.he...300% kan
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Dodi Aulia"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Saya hanya bisa bilang, trader yang kemaren telah membuat *smart
movements for
> his own investment*.
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