Re: [Ogf-l] Re: Spirit vs. Letter

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Meerschaert
woodelf wrote: You don't think mandating that all OGC be freely available in an editable digital format (say, HTML, ASCII, RTF, or somesuch) would have an effect on the development of new open game products? It would. But it wouldn't be followed. Anyone who didn't want the expense would just

RE: 37 questions (was re: [Ogf-l] Re: Possible Formation ofProject)

2003-08-14 Thread woodelf
At 15:49 -0400 8/5/03, Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > At 13:31 -0400 8/4/03, Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: > > > At 6:00 -0400 8/4/03, Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: > >> >* Does the PI ever appear inside material marked as OGC? >> >> Why that question? The whole point o

Re: [Ogf-l] huh?

2003-08-14 Thread Joe Mucchiello
At 01:14 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Doug Meerschaert wrote: Noticed the following quote in a review (http://www.d20zines.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=558&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) of the PDF version of the SRD that some opportunisitc company is selling. "While some intre

RE: [Ogf-l] FW: Review at d20MR (Was huh?)

2003-08-14 Thread Bryan Gillispie
That's what I gathered :) Bryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Smart Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] FW: Review at d20MR (Was huh?) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Bryan Gillispie wrote: > Th

Re: [Ogf-l] huh?

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Mills
Please post any info you get.   - Original Message - From: Bryan Gillispie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] huh? I sent an email to the author asking him about the comment. I'll postthe reply if I get one (if anyo

Re: [Ogf-l] huh?

2003-08-14 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:14, Doug Meerschaert wrote: > Did I miss some grand announcement? Did someone issue a decree that the > OGF (not WotC, the OGF!) will only endorse a few formats of the SRD? I suspect that they're relying on the previous era under the "gentleperson's agreement" where the

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 08:37 AM, woodelf wrote: I wasn't actually addressing your particular product, just the blanket statement that merely avoiding the stated definition will keep you safe. Right. Understood. *If* Ryan is correct and WotC is still following that opinion, and lots

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Spike Y Jones
On 11 Aug 2003 09:15:02 -0700 "Ryan S. Dancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 15:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Personally, I don't think those restrictions are worth WotC's > > time anymore > > Me neither, but I suspect our opinions are diametrically opposed to > the cur

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I studied that puppy very close before deciding to make my product a commercial venture, as should anyone. My conclusion is that I am very safe. Define very safe... By "very safe" I mean I within the boundaries set by the d20 STL.

[Ogf-l] RE: SRD 3.5 Available as PDF

2003-08-14 Thread Mark Oliva
> From: Doug Meerschaert <> Basically, I agree. Our original goal was to make a PDF for our own d20 project group's use. A few people suggested we make it available to others, and we said, why not? Laying out the entire text anew, as per your suggestion, would have made it even better, but it

Re: [Ogf-l] RE: SRD 3.5 Available as PDF

2003-08-14 Thread HUDarklord
< conversion, so that my produce a better-looking PDF in the future.  >> The folks at "www.theothergamecompany.com" have chapters in their "free stuff" section which have layout targeted for printing handouts.  It's fairly attractive. The best HTML layout I found was the Bombshell Studios v. 3.

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 02:51 PM, DarkTouch wrote: Something like saying: Character Creation rules include those rules that would assaign a point cost to X? Right, which is pretty much what I said. In the past Wizards has gotten as specific as saying "you can't put the phrase 'Core rule

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:14 PM, woodelf wrote: The d20 STL is actually very specific about what it means by "character creation" and if you word things carefully, you can actually put a lot of character creation stuff in a product. I am working on a product whose entire point is chara

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 8/10/03 4:27:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I studied that puppy very close before deciding to make my product a commercial venture, as should anyone. My conclusion is that I am very safe. Define very safe...  You might end up with a finished product

[Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread The LE
I wish to make a product that is D20 compatable, with character creation guidlines... thefore violating the D20 license. I realize I would have to release this book without the D20 logo. Are there any other "logos" that can be used to denote that a pdf product is d20 compatable? __

RE: 37 questions (was re: [Ogf-l] Re: Possible Formation of Project)

2003-08-14 Thread Martin L. Shoemaker
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of woodelf > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: 37 questions (was re: [Ogf-l] Re: Possible > Formation of Project) > > > At 13:31 -0400 8/4/03, Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: > > > At 6:00

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread DarkTouch
Something like saying: Character Creation rules include those rules that would assaign a point cost to X? In the past Wizards has gotten as specific as saying "you can't put the phrase 'Core rulebook' on the cover of your product" because people were doing it. If people are doing it and it goes

[Ogf-l] Gen Con, Saturday partial refund announcement

2003-08-14 Thread Peter Adkison
Hello, friends and peers in the gaming industry, We at Gen Con have decided to offer a 50% refund to Gen Con Indy 2003 Saturday-only attendees due to the extensive line difficulties we had on that day. The details of the offer are below. I'd like to get this out across the internet anyplace where

Re: Spirit vs. Letter (was: Re: [Ogf-l] Possible Formation of Project)

2003-08-14 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 8/5/03 3:28:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or does anyone have reason to believe that any of the above fall into the category of clear to the law, if ambiguous to the layperson? I think some of your questions were not always ambiguous, but more so case/

[Ogf-l] Prometheus

2003-08-14 Thread The LE
So we moved on to two other projects, XML and OGC Archives. Both of those have also slowed to a crawl due to lack of time (on the part of the project leaders) and lack of volunteers to assist. - Is it still an option to use the Prometheus system and OPenDie logo? ~Le

Re: [Ogf-l] FW: Review at d20MR (Was huh?)

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Mills
Seems like a very misleading review. - Original Message - From: Damian Smart To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] FW: Review at d20MR (Was huh?) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Bryan Gillispie wrote:> This is the reply I recie

Re: [Ogf-l] Re: Possible Formation of Project

2003-08-14 Thread Fred
--- Scott Metzger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) I do believe it is possible to release a binary as OGL. > > 2) I have already done this. I have two executables and a dll that > are OGL on my website, Monster 3.1, Faster Tools, and d20random.dll > (part of the Faster Tools install). http://yoy

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread spikeyj
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > > *If* Ryan is correct and WotC is still following that opinion, and > > lots of products start showing up that describe chargen in other ways > > (such as through point builds), they'll just change the license. > > Unlike the WotC OGL, they c

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread woodelf
At 18:52 -0600 8/9/03, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:14 PM, woodelf wrote: Has it ever been established for certain whether the description of character creation in the D20STL is definitive or exemplary? I don't think there's ever been an official pronouncement fr

[Ogf-l] huh?

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Meerschaert
Noticed the following quote in a review (http://www.d20zines.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=558&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) of the PDF version of the SRD that some opportunisitc company is selling. "While some intrepid souls have freely offered SRD compilations in pd

[Ogf-l] Anime d20 SRD now available

2003-08-14 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
By request of the publisher, the new Anime d20 System Reference Document is now available for download on the OGF site. In a few weeks I'll be adding the d20 3.5 SRD an the d20 Modern SRD as well. Ryan ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ma

RE: [Ogf-l] huh?

2003-08-14 Thread Dallas Bolyard
Especially since the word "Official" doesn't appear anywhere on the product page, purchase page or the press release announcing the product. Dallas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Mucchiello Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:56 PM To:

RE: [Ogf-l] Prometheus

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Cortez
> >So we moved on to two other projects, XML and OGC Archives. Both of > >those have also slowed to a crawl due to lack of time (on > the part of > >the project leaders) and lack of volunteers to assist. > >- > > Is it still an option to use the Prometheus system an

[Ogf-l] 3.0 SRD?

2003-08-14 Thread Scott Metzger
Hi, Why was the 3.0 SRD droped from hosting on the Open Gaming Foundation? The 3.0 SRD is still valid OGL, I think it should be continued to be hosted. Thank You, Scott Metzger Get paid to surf the web! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=ANY-592 __ http://www.zzn.com ___

Re: [Ogf-l] Anime d20 SRD now available

2003-08-14 Thread Fred
--- woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 12:36 -0700 8/5/03, Fred wrote: > >Now if they'd only make the Anime D20 SRD as printer-friendly as the > >D20 3.5 SRD... > > do a search for Evil Hat productions and the Animed20SRD--he's put > together a *really* nicely-formatted PDF of the entire t

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread woodelf
At 13:21 -0600 8/9/03, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:44 AM, The LE wrote: I wish to make a product that is D20 compatable, with character creation guidlines... thefore violating the D20 license. I realize I would have to release this book without the D20 logo. What k

RE: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Cortez
> From: DarkTouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > You might try checking into the Prometheus Gaming System.. > I'm not sure where they are. We're "paused." >> last time I checked in with their web site though, it looked as >> though WotC had successfully derailed them by including them >>