Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 08:37 AM, woodelf wrote: I wasn't actually addressing your particular product, just the blanket statement that merely avoiding the stated definition will keep you safe. Right. Understood. *If* Ryan is correct and WotC is still following that opinion, and lots

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Spike Y Jones
On 11 Aug 2003 09:15:02 -0700 "Ryan S. Dancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 15:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Personally, I don't think those restrictions are worth WotC's > > time anymore > > Me neither, but I suspect our opinions are diametrically opposed to > the cur

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I studied that puppy very close before deciding to make my product a commercial venture, as should anyone. My conclusion is that I am very safe. Define very safe... By "very safe" I mean I within the boundaries set by the d20 STL.

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 02:51 PM, DarkTouch wrote: Something like saying: Character Creation rules include those rules that would assaign a point cost to X? Right, which is pretty much what I said. In the past Wizards has gotten as specific as saying "you can't put the phrase 'Core rule

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:14 PM, woodelf wrote: The d20 STL is actually very specific about what it means by "character creation" and if you word things carefully, you can actually put a lot of character creation stuff in a product. I am working on a product whose entire point is chara

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread HUDarklord
In a message dated 8/10/03 4:27:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I studied that puppy very close before deciding to make my product a commercial venture, as should anyone. My conclusion is that I am very safe. Define very safe...  You might end up with a finished product

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread DarkTouch
Something like saying: Character Creation rules include those rules that would assaign a point cost to X? In the past Wizards has gotten as specific as saying "you can't put the phrase 'Core rulebook' on the cover of your product" because people were doing it. If people are doing it and it goes

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread spikeyj
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > > *If* Ryan is correct and WotC is still following that opinion, and > > lots of products start showing up that describe chargen in other ways > > (such as through point builds), they'll just change the license. > > Unlike the WotC OGL, they c

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread woodelf
At 18:52 -0600 8/9/03, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 03:14 PM, woodelf wrote: Has it ever been established for certain whether the description of character creation in the D20STL is definitive or exemplary? I don't think there's ever been an official pronouncement fr

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread woodelf
At 13:21 -0600 8/9/03, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:44 AM, The LE wrote: I wish to make a product that is D20 compatable, with character creation guidlines... thefore violating the D20 license. I realize I would have to release this book without the D20 logo. What k

RE: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Cortez
> From: DarkTouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > You might try checking into the Prometheus Gaming System.. > I'm not sure where they are. We're "paused." >> last time I checked in with their web site though, it looked as >> though WotC had successfully derailed them by including them >>

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-11 Thread DarkTouch
You might try checking into the Prometheus Gaming System.. I'm not sure where they are. Originally, I seem to remember them creating their own version of the SRD and having a logo to attach to it.. last time I checked in with their web site though, it looked as though WotC had successfully dera

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-11 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 15:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Personally, I don't think those restrictions are worth WotC's time > anymore Me neither, but I suspect our opinions are diametrically opposed to the current decisionmakers. Ryan ___ Ogf-l mailin

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-10 Thread Leroy Van Camp III
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:44 AM, The LE wrote: I wish to make a product that is D20 compatable, with character creation guidlines... thefore violating the D20 license. I realize I would have to release this book without the D20 logo. What kind of character creation guidelines are you look

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

2003-08-09 Thread DarkTouch
Of course, the D20 STL is a very flexible document and any percieved loopholes will more than likely get fixed right up in the next version. Leroy Van Camp III wrote: On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:44 AM, The LE wrote: I wish to make a product that is D20 compatable, with character creation