Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Pedro Giffuni ha scritto: Copyleft imposes restrictions on software and when you try to impose your freedoms to other people, the result ends up being less free. We respect copyleft, but we want more. Well, I understand your point. I created a new dictionary from scratch because the author of

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Rob Weir ha scritto: 1) The user can download the dictionaries onto their own machines, if they agree to uphold the license. 2) We could have a UI in the product that helps the user download dictionaries. This could state the license and require the user to click agree. Like I've wrote to

Re: [code] main/dmake

2011-11-07 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 05.11.2011 12:27, Ross Gardler wrote: On 4 Nov 2011, at 15:38, Oliver-Rainer Wittmannorwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, our build tool dmake is licensed under GPL. Thus, it can not be part of our source releases. But, we can use it for building - as we are using the gcc compiler.

Re: [CODE] issue 118576: Crash on close

2011-11-07 Thread Andre Fischer
Hi, I have news on this, but not good news. The crash is not directly caused but triggered by the fix for issue 112786. That issue fixes the config manager singleton to actually getting destroyed when the office closes. Not destroying it is not nice but, to my knowledge, causes not

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:06:28 +0100 Von: Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se In order to license, you need copyright. For example, you cannot put old source code by Leonardo da Vinci under GPL, because its copyright has expired. If the creators of

Re: Report Builder extension (was Re: [proposal] development for the first AOO release)

2011-11-07 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, On 05.11.2011 12:09, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hello Oliver, On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:52:05PM +0100, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I am not planning to remove the report builder extension. I am planning to remove the 3rd party components which are used by the report builder extension

Re: [CODE] issue 118576: Crash on close

2011-11-07 Thread eric b
Le 7 nov. 11 à 09:51, Andre Fischer a écrit : Hi, Hi Andre, I have news on this, but not good news. :-/ The crash is not directly caused but triggered by the fix for issue 112786. That issue fixes the config manager singleton to actually getting destroyed when the office

Re: Module VCL doesn't link external ICU

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Pedro, On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:48:26PM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Ugh.. I'm still struggling with the BSD build, and apparently it should be simple but perhaps someone that knows well the build structure can give me a good hint: = Building module vcl =

Re: Need a current build for WinXP 32bit

2011-11-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 07.11.2011 05:49, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Mathias, I found the ATL headers in the WinDDK/.../inc/atl71/, and libraries too. There is also the ATL Reference Guide and other materials available at MSDN on-line, along with some books in a very dusty corner of my office shelves. That

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Firstly, thanks to Eric for the explanation. I'm not a developer so, it's rather important that I understand how the whole thing technically works. :-) More comments follow below. eric b ha scritto: 3) at buildtime, the content of every locale is zipped as an extension At least this is

Re: Report Builder extension (was Re: [proposal] development for the first AOO release)

2011-11-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 07.11.2011 09:50, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: On 03.11.2011 09:16, Mathias Bauer wrote: On 02.11.2011 15:52, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: I am not planning to remove the report builder extension. I am planning to remove the 3rd party components which are used by the report builder

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Gianluca Turconi in...@letturefantastiche.com wrote: Pedro Giffuni ha scritto: Copyleft imposes restrictions on software and when you try to impose your freedoms to other people, the result ends up being less free. We respect copyleft, but we want more.

Re: [code] main/dmake

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: In order to graduate there can be no license incompatible code in SVN. The solution below is ok only as an interim solution. This statement conflicts with what I thought Robert had told us previously. My

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier R.
Hello Rob, Le 07/11/2011 12:51, Rob Weir a écrit : What you say above does not really make a legal difference. What makes something copyright-able is creative expression. not hard work. You could spend decades collecting data on bird populations, measuring the positions of stars, recording

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Olivier R. olivier.nore...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rob, Le 07/11/2011 12:51, Rob Weir a écrit : What you say above does not really make a legal difference.  What makes something copyright-able is creative expression. not hard work. You could spend decades

Re: [code] main/dmake

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... Remember, there are no pure Apache 2,0 licensed operating systems. Who said that?? http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang I

Re: Module VCL doesn't link external ICU

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 06:08:36AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: OK hmm.. you asked for it ;) = Building module vcl = Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3-devel/work/ooo/main/vcl/prj cd .. gmake -r -j1 [ build LNK ] Library/libvcl.so splitting the

Re: Module VCL doesn't link external ICU

2011-11-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the analysis. We have some patches concerning -rpath in the OOo port for icu but this shouldn't be needed for the external ICU. By the way, why do have icu in /usr/local/lib? Is this the default

Re: Module VCL doesn't link external ICU

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 10:50:21AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the analysis. We have some patches concerning -rpath in the OOo port for icu but this shouldn't be needed for the external ICU.

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread RGB ES
2011/11/7 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org We can do three things for an Apache release: 1) We can release source code tarballs, with only Apache 2.0 and compatible source. Someone would then be free to take this source and build it themselves, including code from other licenses as they wish.

Re: Problem when showing a dialog of a deployed extension

2011-11-07 Thread Gerardo Gómez
In this case the text is null (the string passed as argument to the setText method). The xTextComponent it is constructed correctly. I've uploaded all the NetBeans project to my GitHub account, you can check all the code and test the whole project just by downloading everything contained there:

Re: Module VCL doesn't link external ICU

2011-11-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Wow.. that is definitely likely to work! You know very well the build system. Thanks! Pedro. --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@gmail.com wrote: then try modifying solenv/gbuild/platform/freebsd.mk l. 124 gb_LinkTarget_LDFLAGS := \    

Re: Problem when showing a dialog of a deployed extension

2011-11-07 Thread Gerardo Gómez
I have addressed my problem with the null ref, it was due to assigning to xText.setText, a null string, i only added an if: public void setText(String text){ if (text != null) this.xTextComponent.setText(text); } I'm not really happy with this solution, but it seams to work good, so

Re: Problem when showing a dialog of a deployed extension

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Gerardo, On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 02:25:40PM -0600, Gerardo Gómez wrote: I have addressed my problem with the null ref, it was due to assigning to xText.setText, a null string, i only added an if: public void setText(String text){ if (text != null)

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier R.
Hello Dave, Le 07/11/2011 17:27, Dave Fisher a écrit : Rob is not an Apache Member, neither am I. We are Apache Committers and on the Apache OpenOffice.org (incubating) PPMC. Thanks for the clarification. To all, please accept my apologies for my confusion. An official opinion is a

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Olivier; --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Olivier R. olivier.nore...@gmail.com wrote: I read that a legal issue would be raised about the GPL dictionaries. Then Rob was wondering how dictionaries could be copyrighted. I thought that if lawyers knew that copyrights on such matter were irrelevant,

Re: Problem when showing a dialog of a deployed extension

2011-11-07 Thread Gerardo Gómez
Hello Ariel. the underlying issue is in LoginPanel.fillCredentials(): this.getUserNameTextField(). setText(creditionals.getUserName()); creditionals.getUserName() returns null. You should check if this is a bug or the expected behaviour (no OOo API bug in either case). I'm agree with you,

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 2011-11-07 8:27 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Olivier, Thanks for bringing your experienced perspective to the list! On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Olivier R. wrote: Le 07/11/2011 16:53, Rob Weir a écrit : Why would Apache care about that? Maybe just because you are an Apache member and you

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Olivier; --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Olivier R. olivier.nore...@gmail.com wrote: I read that a legal issue would be raised about the GPL dictionaries. Then Rob was wondering how dictionaries could be copyrighted. I thought

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Rob, On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: The complexity of the language is irrelevant.  The point is that the complexity is not created or invented by the person who compiles the dictionary.  The complexity is not the creative expression of an author.  The

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi *, On the long run I think the Apache-Way means we give prevalence to freedom over features so we either move back to MySpell it has already been said that MySpell is a step backward or we do something completely new based on Apache openNLP. we means here software developers in the

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, On the long run I think the Apache-Way means we give prevalence to freedom over features so we either move back to MySpell it has already been said that MySpell is a step backward It is, but can't we have both MySpell and

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 06:00:49PM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: On the long run I think the Apache-Way means we give prevalence to freedom over features so we either move back to MySpell it has already been said that MySpell is a step backward It is, but can't we have both

Re: GPL'd dictionaries (was Re: ftp.services.openoffice.org?)

2011-11-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, On the long run I think the Apache-Way means we give prevalence to freedom over features so we either move back to MySpell it has already been said that

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

2011-11-07 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Unless you provide the spellchecking dictionaries that IBM uses and prove your point, IBM might well think/realise that the spellchecking dictionaries their products use are not protected by copyright. That doesn't mean Rob, or some of IBM's customers, would have any right to redistribute them.