Hello all,
congratulations and all the best for the future! Not sure what else to
say except good bye and that I hope to get in touch with you folks
at ApacheCon someday.
Cheers
Christian
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
The Apache Software
+1 from me also
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
wrote:
My conclusion is: whilst there are some remaining challenges for the
community there is strong evidence that the community
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project,
and I believe he would make a
Personally I think this is a great approach and love to see it progress
Cheers
Christian
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
hello,
Rob Weir wrote:
[...]
Am I authorized to vote? If so then:
Everybody is invited to voice his opinion. Non-PMC members usually add
non-binding to their vote to make the vote counters life easier.
Cheers!
Hello all,
as a mentor of this project it is my impression that this podling is
ready to graduate.
This is surely a project with much heat in it; but I also think it is
stable. The project made a release and constantly voted in new
committers/ppmc members. It is active and has proven that it can
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 07/16/2012 08:57 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
as a mentor of this project it is my impression that this podling is
ready
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello? Is this thing on? This project has a whopping
9GB website that all of maybe 5 people on the planet
know how to takecare of, and it is rife with stale
information inherited from a different past. The website
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Joe, your tone is extremely rude and insulting. You want people to
learn/change something? Nobody wants to hear it that way. You wrote it
is Anti-Apache to not use the CMS. I consider it Anti-Apache the way
you write
Hello folks,
I am currently a bit exhausted and would like to make some kind of a
break with ooo. I don't want to leave completely, but I want to take
the opportunity not to read so much e-mails :-) and relax a for a
while. If you think that I might be of some help, please ping me
directly and I
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:05 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 November 2011 05:38, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/11/20 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr
I think you are confusing oooforum.org with
user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/
oooforum is a non official forum run for
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
On Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:18 PM, Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz wrote:
I am wondering why we care on oooforum.org here when we have nothing
to do with it?
We care about the good name of OpenOffice.org?
Agreed,
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
Who are your targets, Jim?
I believe I mentioned them in the original post... In summary:
the entire Open Office ecosystem.
I think we must show ooo power by doing
b) Apache OpenOffice
+1
nobody I know ever said I have downloaded OpenOffice.org yesterday
night. Therefore I am for removing the geekish .org
cheers
The ballot is open for a full 7 day week closing 12:00 p.m. EST ( UTC - 5 )
on Wednesday, November 16, 2011.
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
+1
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:29 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
AOOo Incubator page does not mention the Forums. Considering that the
migration to Apache servers is now completed, maybe it is a good idea to
add the Forums to the Project Info table.
Cheers
Ricardo
--
Raphael, thats great to hear!
I wish you all the best for your hard training and next year we might
meet at a half marathon or so :-)
Cheers
Christian
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi at all
I make a big progress in my fight to walking normal. I won't
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 22-10-2011 6:26, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
Peter,
Heck, I also voted +1, 10/18, but apparently also in the wrong list - VOTE
DISCUSS
Sorry about that.
By the way, as the option +0 wasn't included, that vote is invalid,
No, it is valid.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
Reason 1: Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of
majority rule unless otherwise stated
Reason 2: +0: 'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
Therefore you can consider this decision passed and
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 2:52 AM
Don't lecture me on voting, Gavin. Read the the Apache Voting
Process [1], the section on Implications of Voting, with my
emphasis:
The tacit implications of voting should be
+1
Just a mentor, but I welcome the forum as valued addition to the
project with many nice people. For sure it will be an outstanding
part of this project and even for the ASF.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
In reply to this message on
didn't ask the PPMC to do anything.
-Rob
-Original Message-
From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 18-10-2011 9:58, Ross Gardler schreef:
Apache projects are about avoiding ceremonial actsand all about getting
stiff done.
A vote may be purely ceremonial, but it would kind of make clear how many
people actually care
And please note Christian's comment:
Finally we are adding people to the PMC
with this vote too!
Really? Who - specifically - are we adding to the PMC? Does everyone on
this thread really have the same understanding of what this proposal does?
PMC or committer additions are one of the
The Apache Way is like Zen. There are some rules and plenty of
guidelines,
but it's really about having a healthy community that listens to each
other
and works towards consensus.
Shane, it should be obvious to a stone that I am advocating the Zen
approach of just taking the lazy
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Please not, there are not technical volunteers for fulfilling that
task. Terry E, who left the project, has mentioned this might be very
difficult or
2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote:
Wondering why the discussion is on the wiki as comments?
Juergen
There was discussion on this list, onn the forum, on the wiki and then
back on the forum. These
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums
within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling is available on the Apache OO.o
And yes, the forum people are asking to look at this proposal now and
discuss.
OK. That's what I wanted to hear. We've had false starts on this
before. I expected the forum proposal to come from a forum admin or
moderator, not fro Dennis. But that's fine.
I can confirm that this
Volunteers are registered users of the forum(s) with a post count of
over 200 (or another lower limit), who visit and post regularly to
answer questions, report spam and in general show commitment to the
forum(s), as opposed to regular registered users who may never post at
all or post
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:58 PM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
least 90 days for the transfer of the
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 11 October 2011 22:05, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable
Christian
Thanks.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
Wasn't there going to be a proposal from the Forum community regarding
moving the Forums to Apache Infrastructure?
I recall activity on the the CWiki about it, but nothing has happened
here
+1.
Add that the discussion could continue on
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project
but it doesn't. Why? Is there something wrong with how I expressed myself
there?
I had a bunch of stuff on my desk I needed to work on, so I
Not sure which issue you mean. Are speaking of 4) Work on the
rebranding and other content changes to comply with agreed project
requirements
no...Terry filed an actual JIRA issue on setting this up...
see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3888
but it is now closed
I think
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
The authoritative list of committers is here:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html
That has been silently updated as new committers have been elected.
It is always good to know this page:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Sep 29, 2011 6:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Some Apache projects announce each new committer to their main mailing
list. Others don't.
The entries in bold identify some who might (also) be
mentors/ASF Members.
Bold identifies ASF members. Not every member listed is a Mentor. I think
though you have to be a Member to be a Mentor although I could be wrong about
that.
You don't need to be a Member to become a Mentor - the
Wasn't there going to be a proposal from the Forum community regarding moving
the Forums to Apache Infrastructure?
I recall activity on the the CWiki about it, but nothing has happened here to
move the process forward.
The proposal is still in progress. There is still no agreement on if
it
Hello,
I meanwhile got several e-mails offlist from users who have not the
time to read the thousands of e-mails on ooo-dev and therefore have
trouble understanding things around the Apache Software Foundation and
how they relate with the OpenOffice.org podling.
If you are one of these persons
Done, thanks for the reminder.
Good report, btw
Christian
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
Ahem,
There are no sign-offs on the OpenOffice.org Podling Board Report
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2011.
- Dennis
--
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:23 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:
Whilst it was Terry's choice, Rob's attitude was quite literally :
I don't care about how the forum used to be run, or why it was run that
way. You will do this, or else, where the or else is to treat it as if
it was a mailing
to not be able to identify everybody,
and I do not accept voyeurisme (sorry, french word, but extremely precise
here).
How can you know i am Christian Grobmeier and this i not my pseudonym?
Just because I have a website? Or is it because I signed a ICLA, which
I could do with my wrong name
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:10 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
...
Right now, it looks like we're waiting for the forum volunteers
discuss among themselves and come back
So, what now?
I consider the ooo-forums a very important part of this project. Who
else is able to help, when Terry is gone?
This was a very sad thing to happen. And honestly, I cannot understand
the way some stuff was discussed in this matter. I have learned that
the goals of both parties are
Hello,
there are much emotions on the ooo forum at the moment and my feeling
says if we continue this path of discussion, we'll have some problems.
Now I had an idea: what if we would make up another incubator podling
- the ooo forums - with an own PPMC.
In fact Rob already expressed something
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:03:34 +0200
Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
snip I think making ooo-forums another podling is way easier than
integrating it into ooo-dev.
Christian: I have posted this suggestion
Just checked, your account is fine. If you having problems let me know -
but I don't see anything odd with the account settings from here.
Ok - think I found it - there was a new group created for the ASF folks,
then your account added to this new group - looks like the culprit was a
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry, but if this were put to a vote on general@incubator
I'd likely vote -1 as it is out of scope for the incubator
to incubate a non-software-development related group.
We knew when we voted for ooo to come to apache
It is bizarre, but I hear people advocating for community
fragmentation in the name of community unity. Having two parallel
meritocracies within the same project is fragmentation. I don't see
how we can call it anything else.
Working on the same topic does not necessary mean it is the same
Dennis,
not commenting all of your e-mail, you speak out what I have observed.
I now heard very often there is no rush in this discussion but
actually there is rush. As you said:
The second is that the Forum operators may be losing faith in Apache.
Yesterday, it seemed that they were eager
Hello,
we have spoken much - now its time to outline what needs to be done. I
have started a Wiki page with that:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project
Lets bring the talk into shapes.
Cheers
Christian
Eric,
Apache has a Board of Directors, too.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/ http://www.apache.org/foundation/
Thanks a lot for the information, I completely missed :/
That is a legal requirement for a Foundation.
This is a very bad news for me (personal statement)
It need not be.
Rob,
If the Forums are to be well-integrated into the project, I think we need:
I think an integration is possible. I am currently reading the topics
on the forum in admin area and it is rather enlgihtening.
== PPMC Oversite and Approval of Forum Policies ==
Remember, the Forum volunteers
At: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/memberlist.php?mode=sk=msd=d
I see moderators and volunteers. In addition I know about forum administrators.
Looking at the moderators, they have postrange from 1500 to 18.000
posts (since 2007). I think they have shown a good committment to the
If behavior discussions are going to occur at all, it's probably
better that they happen in public rather than there be the feeling of
a secret faceless committee to which users can neither respond nor
appeal. The latter can lead to discontent.
Exactly. And where do users go to complain
It might be different to discuss roughly at the dev forums were most
people know each other than in a public message boards were even my
grandmother might participate. At this project I heard the term end
users very often; I don't think you can use the same rules of heavy
geek-discussion for
Shane there are some intrinsic differences between a DL and posting into a
forum. However, reading this entire thread I get the feeling that some of
the current practices on the forum may be unacceptable to Apache / the
project. However in this case, I would suggest that:
1) we adopt an
In tradition, all ASF related matters - code, users etc - are
discussed in public on the dev list. The user lists has been utilized
to do support to users. Now there is an forum in addtiion to a list.
The credo is:if it happened on list, it didn't happen. Ok, the board
is not on list - so it
i just wanted to outline that a forum is already extraordinary for
support questions. Using message boards for support questions but not
using it to ban users from the same board sounds strange.
Banning a user is just pressing a button. The technology does not
require a discussion. Same as
Hello,
the ASF has some guides for using trademarks.
http://apache.org/foundation/marks/
If in doubt, there is a trademark mailinglist:
tradema...@apache.org
To subscribe, use: trademarks-subscr...@apache.org
That being said, projects do not give rights on using trademarks.
But of course there
Graham, as time is short (due today) I have added it to the wiki and signed it
Cheers
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote:
Apologies for taking so long with this, it got a bit wordy and needed a bit of
slash and burn.
Draft inline:
---
Noirin,
I have added your name to the mentor signed off box, as you have
said you would, if you could. Hope thats OK. If not, please tell me.
Cheers
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Nóirín Plunkett noi...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org
Graham,
reads excellent to me. I would suggest you add it immediately to the
incubator wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2011
It can be edited there - mentors can sign it off there too.
Cheers
Christian
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote:
Friendly reminder - time is getting short and I have seen no
volunteers on this job.
Deadline is Wednesday - anybody who can do it now?
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
Wow, it seems we just did a quarterly report last month [1]. How time flies.
Does anyone
cool proposal, +1
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
Apologies to those who have received multiple copies of this message.
I've cc'ed members of the Apache POI project, the Apache OpenOffice
podling and the ODF Toolkit Union, due to the prior interest they've
My question is whether the change over to the Apache license for openoffice
means we have to switch over to one of the Apache approved licenses ?
No, no need to switch your license in case of GPL3:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
Apache 2 software can therefore be
I was wondering, will we be using http://www.openoffice.org/, or be
using http://openofficeorg.apache.org/ in the future?
Good question.
I would prefer www.openoffice.org - people already know that domain.
I think there are other domains under ASF control - maybe there is a
chance to get
Also, please note it is the Apache License, v2.0. There is no S in
the acronym.
haha my mistake - i always do it wrong :-)
Initial committers who have been set up with their Apache user names and have
committer access can begin immediate participation on the PPMC. Simply
subscribe to the priv...@incubator.apache.org list using the @apache.org
e-mail or the e-mail given on the iCLA.
Correction: please
Hi Wolf,
you should appear somewhere on this page, once your icla has been registered:
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
When did you send your icla?
Usually it takes a short while, but sometimes it is lost. I would not
be concerned if you send it before 2 days or so
Cheers
on that.
Here is a link which illustrates a bit more:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html
Look for the logging* sections.
Cheers,
Christian
-Rob
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
Rob,
And then there are other functions that helped
I read, there is no single vision on how PMCs should run a project and
the communities they host. So I think the OpenOffice.org community can
create or better bring in its own customary constitution even it's
hosted by Apache.
OpenOffice.org is a little bit different from other Apache
dmake is GPLed and hosted at openoffice.org, because the original developers
have abandoned it long time ago. We never made binary releases of dmake and
we don't need to do it in the future, but we need to find an official
place for the dmake source code, so that we can build a binary version
Well, JIRA identifies project leads, one per project. What can I say.
Hunh. I had no idea.
Usually the chairs name is added as project lead in Jira.
For now we could add Sam as the champion. Once graduated we can put
the newly elected chairs name there
Christian
(yes, I try to avoid JIRA,
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