Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-09-02 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Ian, Was this ever resolved? I think we had it on hold pending transfer of the trademarks to Apache. Now that this has occurred, did you want to renew your request? -Rob On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2011 02:30, Rob Weir

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 June 2011 02:30, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads: branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-27 Thread Shane Curcuru
Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads: branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the privately archived tradema...@apache.org mailing list. Apache policy is set by the VP, Brand Management and the associated officer's committee, and

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads:  branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the privately archived tradema...@apache.org mailing list. Apache policy is

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Ian, Any luck raising the trademark issue with Apache Branding? -Rob On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Thanks, Ian. I don't see anything in the Apache trademark policy [1] that talks about training certificates.  But it does say that use of the

Re: Teams and Leads - where leadership lives (sermonette warning)

2011-06-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16 June 2011 19:27, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: SERMONETTE I know, in my case, this will take some awkward and uncomfortable transformation of how I see myself in the context of coordinated activities.   I'm already seeing, on the PPMC, that it takes something to

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I read, there is no single vision on how PMCs should run a project and the communities they host. So I think the OpenOffice.org community can create or better bring in its own customary constitution even it's hosted by Apache. OpenOffice.org is a little bit different from other Apache

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or manager or any name that could create the impression that this person has more rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread IngridvdM
Am 16.06.2011 13:29, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or manager or any name that could create the impression that this person has more rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral description in case something

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/06/2011 12:44, RA Stehmann wrote: Sam Ruby schrieb: The only 'contact' that people need for this project is ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org. I don't think so. If for example the press wants to know, what's new in OpenOffice.org version x.y, you cann't say, ask at ooo-dev ... . They need

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/06/2011 12:52, Ian Lynch wrote: On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Rubyru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdMingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or manager or any name that could create the

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:44 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Sam Ruby schrieb: The only 'contact' that people need for this project is ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org. I don't think so. If for example the press wants to know, what's new in OpenOffice.org version x.y, you

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Sam, *, 2011/6/16 Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or manager or any name that could create the impression that this person has more rights than the

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ian Lynch
On 16 June 2011 14:04, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 16/06/2011 13:49, Ian Lynch wrote: But presumably if we want broader community support this list is the place to get it? I will talk to the trademark committee but I feel happier if this is as public as possible. Ahhh... I

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/06/2011 14:08, Ian Lynch wrote: On 16 June 2011 14:04, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote: ... Sam has effectively done that in his reply to this thread that was copied to the trademarks PMC. Trademarks will assess the situation and respond via both the trademarks and this list.

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ian Lynch
Sam has effectively done that in his reply to this thread that was copied to the trademarks PMC. Trademarks will assess the situation and respond via both the trademarks and this list. Ok, thanks. I think it is important that ordinary members have an opportunity to comment either one

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread RA Stehmann
I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, teams, mailing lists, websites etc.. IMO we should make an inventory, keep the usefull elements and drop the dated.

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Lee
On 16 June 2011 14:23, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, still learning. Hopefully this process will help other newbies too. :-) +1 To this I'd like to add that already having only scanned and dipped into some of the conversations I've already learned an enormous amount. Excellent.

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Ian Lynch
On 16 June 2011 14:27, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, teams, mailing lists, websites etc..

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, teams, mailing lists, websites

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/6/16 Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Manfred Am 16.06.11 14:47, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Hi Sam, *, Is it intended from NewOOo to deliver final products to the market? If yes, than IMHO we should think *right now* about an infrastructure for these parts of the project. else ... Or do you think that there are too many

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Von: Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com to have an idea ... these are the current mailinglists in the OOo ... german subdomain. annou...@de.openoffice.org d...@de.openoffice.org us...@de.openoffice.org c...@de.openoffice.org iss...@de.openoffice.org

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
upps ... 2011/6/16 Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org: [...] IMHO that was the question from Kazunari Hirano. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#label/...ApacheOOo/13092fd2961dd406 Unfortunately his has now answer until now. That link is no use to people not using GMail, I can't see the

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads,

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Manfred A. Reiter san, On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: But IMHO each national project should start with at least a userlist and a list to organise the national needs ;-) Good idea. :) Can we say language project instead of national project?

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi André, nice to see you ;-) 2011/6/16 Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Hi, Von: Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com [...] at the beginning the geramanophone branche of OOo startet with only *two* mailinglist all the others where created according to the needs of the German

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Kazunari Hirano san, 2011/6/16 Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com: Hi Manfred A. Reiter san, On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: But IMHO each national project should start with at least a userlist and a list to organise the national needs ;-)

RE: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
that, but separate lists are very effective, because they don't depend on complex subject-line rituals.) -Original Message- From: IngridvdM [mailto:ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 03:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short

RE: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 (I also favor not solving a problem we don't have [yet].) -Original Message- From: IngridvdM [mailto:ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 04:15 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals) Am 16.06.2011 13:00

RE: Teams and Leads - where leadership lives (sermonette warning)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
to be said.] -Original Message- From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 01:42 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals) I read, there is no single vision on how PMCs should run a project

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Dennis, 2011/6/16 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org: +1 (I also favor not solving a problem we don't have [yet].) what you are talking about, I hope you are not reffering on the following email

Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Am 16.06.2011 21:15, schrieb Greg Stein: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 05:44, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: ... In a bigger community you need some structure to work efficiently (see for an example the Debian project). Wow. I never thought I would see Debian and efficient in

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-16 Thread Ian Lynch
On 16 June 2011 15:06, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Ian, do you have a link to a sample certificate, so we can see the trademark used in context? There is a scan of a sample certificate at https://theingots.org/community/OOoCert The bar code on this just encodes to the web site

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Jomar Silva
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: It might be worth describing how national language projects and the OpenOffce NLC has worked in the past.  I think this would be educational for our Apache mentors to understand a little of what they do.  It is much more than

RE: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Jomar Silva [mailto:homem...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 16:04 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: [ ... ] 2) Have the national language projects run