[OpenAFS] AUTO: Bob Oesterlin is traveling this week (returning 04/28/2008)

2008-04-21 Thread Bob Oesterlin
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Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Brian Sebby
This seems to have been discussed quite a bit already, but we also moved our fileservers from inode to namei on ZFS in Solaris. Fortunately, this was part of a hardware upgrade, so all I had to do was set up the new file servers using ZFS, and use vos move to move over the volumes. Once it was do

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,David Thompson writes: >> i suspect you will only see this bug if your filesystem containing the >> cache is very close to full. > >We currently run with a cache set at boot time at 75% of the partition >size, and this has reduced the frequency of the problem to clos

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Russ Allbery wrote: Okay, that makes me feel better about changing defaults, although we probably need to keep providing inode packages as well, so it would probably mean two builds for Solaris. Or we should be providing a single package that includes both binaries and permits the correct one

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Jason Edgecombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It does error out. A namei fileserver will refuse to start and log an > error message if a vice partition used to be inode. This happens even if > you run "rm -fr *". I had to run mkfs/newfs on my vice partitions in > order to switch formats -- after m

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Jason Edgecombe
Jason Edgecombe wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: Robert Banz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: I think it's generally a good idea to stick with one server implementation on all platforms since that way everyone runs the same (tested) code, but I

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Jason Edgecombe
Russ Allbery wrote: Robert Banz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: I think it's generally a good idea to stick with one server implementation on all platforms since that way everyone runs the same (tested) code, but I seem to recall the mig

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Banz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think it's generally a good idea to stick with one server >> implementation on all platforms since that way everyone runs the same >> (tested) code, but I seem to recall the migration from inode to name

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Robert Banz
On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: Robert Banz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Well, the issue was if you're using it on a server, and using what a lot of people still consider the default (the inode fileserver), apocalyptic dataloss may occur. Oh, right, I completely forgot a

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Blaine
We currently run with a cache set at boot time at 75% of the partition size, and this has reduced the frequency of the problem to close enough to zero for us. At previous higher values (85% ??) we still saw this on an infrequent but regular basis (across 100s of hosts). Every one of our boxes

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Russ Allbery wrote: I would say that in addition to recommending people use logging with ufs (or better, zfs!), that we should also push for deprecation of the inode fileserver ;) I think it's generally a good idea to stick with one server implementation on all platforms since that way everyone

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Banz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, the issue was if you're using it on a server, and using what a lot > of people still consider the default (the inode fileserver), apocalyptic > dataloss may occur. Oh, right, I completely forgot about that. > I would say that in addition to recomme

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Robert Banz
On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: "Prasun Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On solaris the recommended filesystem of use for building afs filesystem is ufs without logging turned on. Where is this? We should update it. That's the recommendation for a *cache* file system

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: coreutils-6.11 released

2008-04-21 Thread Adam Megacz
Didi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > the main problem is that through this the 'groups' > command becomes utterly useless and confused quite a lot of users. > $ groups > users id: cannot find name for group ID 1091323188 If you would like that numeric groupid to resolve to some alphanumeric group n

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
"Prasun Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On solaris the recommended filesystem of use for building afs filesystem > is ufs without logging turned on. Where is this? We should update it. That's the recommendation for a *cache* file system, but not for the server. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PR

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread David Thompson
Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR) wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Mike Garrison write s: On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote: Obviously we need to revisit this. For the record I have never produced it on my own test hardware. I've never seen this occur on any of our numerous Lin

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: coreutils-6.11 released

2008-04-21 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:23 , Didi wrote: If by "unknown" you mean nameless, that's not what the patch does. Such a patch would not even have been considered. I agree that hiding this information in some cases might not be optimal, but the main problem is that through this the 'groups' command

Re: [OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Robert Banz
At my last job, we had switched to using ZFS exclusively for our AFS servers, and had great luck with it. Look back in the archives of this list for discussion of it, and check out one of my ex-coworker's presentations from the 2007 AFS workshop on just that subject: http://elektronkind.o

[OpenAFS] zfs File system

2008-04-21 Thread Prasun Gupta
On solaris the recommended filesystem of use for building afs filesystem is ufs without logging turned on. This is really a very primitive file system, and it loses a lot of the new features in the filesystems. Has anybody used zfs successfully and in what configuration ? a) striped zfs

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR)
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Mike Garrison write s: >On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote: >> Obviously we need to revisit this. For the record I have never >> produced it on my own test hardware. > >I've never seen this occur on any of our numerous Linux machines. >Granted, the

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Derrick Brashear
Kris at the time could produce it fairly reliably on his wife's machine. Perhaps he can fill us in on where he was. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Mike Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote: > > > Obviously we need to revisit this. For the r

Re: [OpenAFS] Windows Integration with Kerberos

2008-04-21 Thread Franco Milicchio
On Apr 21, 2008, at 6:21pm, Prasun Gupta wrote: We would like to use windows client to authenticate with an Kerberos Server (KDC), get a windows user’s roaming profile and then map the user’s afs homespace on the machine. From What I have read the user Kerberos credentials have to be map

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Mike Garrison
On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote: Obviously we need to revisit this. For the record I have never produced it on my own test hardware. I've never seen this occur on any of our numerous Linux machines. Granted, they're running 2.6.x and not 2.4.x. -- Mike Garrison

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Derrick Brashear
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Blaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there substantial reason to believe that this has been > addressed between 1.4.6 and 1.4.7pre3? Nope. I can pretty much assure it it's not fixed there. ___ OpenAFS-info mailin

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Blaine
Is there substantial reason to believe that this has been addressed between 1.4.6 and 1.4.7pre3? The boxes that (I would guess) experience this are beefy/fast boxes. Our hosts in question are production machines, not ones we can perform OpenAFS testing on unless there is a clear case for the spe

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Jeffrey Altman
If you wish the test something, please test 1.4.7-pre3 http://www.openafs.org/release/openafs-1.4.7pre3.html Jeff Blaine wrote: Derrick et al, ~:maverick> uname -a Linux maverick 2.4.21-53.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Nov 14 03:46:35 EST 2007 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ~:maverick> strings /usr/vice/

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Derrick Brashear
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jeff Blaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derrick et al, > > ~:maverick> uname -a > Linux maverick 2.4.21-53.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Nov 14 03:46:35 EST 2007 x86_64 > x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > ~:maverick> strings /usr/vice/etc/afsd | grep OpenAFS > @(#) OpenAFS 1.4.6 b

Re: [OpenAFS] Craziness with cache, Input/Output error, Linux

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Blaine
Derrick et al, ~:maverick> uname -a Linux maverick 2.4.21-53.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Nov 14 03:46:35 EST 2007 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ~:maverick> strings /usr/vice/etc/afsd | grep OpenAFS @(#) OpenAFS 1.4.6 built 2008-03-04 ~:maverick> pwd /afs/rcf/user/jblaine ~:maverick> tar xf /mtc/raid8/ic

[OpenAFS] Windows Integration with Kerberos

2008-04-21 Thread Prasun Gupta
We would like to use windows client to authenticate with an Kerberos Server (KDC), get a windows user's roaming profile and then map the user's afs homespace on the machine. >From What I have read the user Kerberos credentials have to be mapped to a windows user account, defined locally or in a