[OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Simon Wilkinson
Hi, One of the issues that comes up from time to time is what actually constitutes a bug worthy of a security advisory. Sometimes this is really clear cut, but in other areas, in particular in relation to our Unix kernel modules, the dividing line is significantly less clear. Getting this

[OpenAFS] Future of 1.4 release series with regards to new Linux kernels

2011-04-15 Thread Derrick Brashear
Folks, As you know, the release of OpenAFS 1.6.0 is imminent. Currently we expect to release OpenAFS 1.4.14.1 with support for Linux kernels through 2.6.38. Going forward, it appears that substantial changes would be needed to support kernels 2.6.39 onwards. To that end, it's our expectation that

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Jeff Blaine
My proposal, going forwards, is to not produce security advisories or releases for these local denial of service attacks. Local issues that can result in privilege escalation, or denial of service attacks that can be performed by those outside a sites infrastructure would still result in

Re: [OpenAFS] Future of 1.4 release series with regards to new Linux kernels

2011-04-15 Thread Jeff Blaine
As you know, the release of OpenAFS 1.6.0 is imminent. Currently we expect to release OpenAFS 1.4.14.1 with support for Linux kernels through 2.6.38. Going forward, it appears that substantial changes would be needed to support kernels 2.6.39 onwards. To that end, it's our expectation that for

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Stephan Wiesand
Hi Simon, On Apr 15, 2011, at 19:53 , Simon Wilkinson wrote: One of the issues that comes up from time to time is what actually constitutes a bug worthy of a security advisory. Sometimes this is really clear cut, but in other areas, in particular in relation to our Unix kernel modules,

Re: [OpenAFS] Future of 1.4 release series with regards to new Linux kernels

2011-04-15 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Derrick Brashear sha...@gmail.com wrote: To that end, it's our expectation that for the continued stability of the 1.4 release series, that kernels beyond 2.6.38 would not be supported Roughly speaking, what is the expected EOL for OpenAFS 1.4? - Ken

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
My proposal, going forwards, is to not produce security advisories or releases for these local denial of service attacks. Local issues that can result in privilege escalation, or denial of service attacks that can be performed by those outside a sites infrastructure would still result in

RE: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread David Boyes
Putting my security hat on, I think that local DOS impact is in the eye's of the beholder. For single user systems, what you do to yourself is between the three of you. For sites that support communities of which you have to presume at least a few compromised credentials, even a local DOS

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Simon Wilkinson
On 15 Apr 2011, at 20:43, David Boyes wrote: A variation of this comment: much of the complexity of deploying a fix is related to packaging. Investment in simplifying and automating the process of creating and deploying a new package would probably help somewhat with the pain level of

[OpenAFS] Re: When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Andrew Deason
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:53:08 +0100 Simon Wilkinson s...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: Making security releases is expensive and time consuming - it removes developer effort from all of the other things that we want to get done, and delays the arrival of releases that actually contain new code.

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Jason Edgecombe
On 04/15/2011 04:40 PM, Andrew Deason wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:53:08 +0100 Simon Wilkinsons...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: Making security releases is expensive and time consuming - it removes developer effort from all of the other things that we want to get done, and delays the arrival of

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net writes: A variation of this comment: much of the complexity of deploying a fix is related to packaging. Investment in simplifying and automating the process of creating and deploying a new package would probably help somewhat with the pain level of creating a

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Wilkinson s...@inf.ed.ac.uk writes: We need to be careful that we don't burn out the volunteers who provide this service by creating releases too frequently. This is going to be especially important in the next few months when we'll be maintaining both a new stable series (1.6.x) and a

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Patricia O'Reilly
Is there any problem connecting 1.6 clients with 1.4.14 servers? Russ Allbery wrote: Simon Wilkinson s...@inf.ed.ac.uk writes: We need to be careful that we don't burn out the volunteers who provide this service by creating releases too frequently. This is going to be especially important

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Patricia O'Reilly orei...@qualcomm.com writes: Is there any problem connecting 1.6 clients with 1.4.14 servers? Nope. Works fine. Overall, 1.6 clients seem to be working as well or better than 1.4 clients, although someone has reported reproducible hangs and crashes to me with 1.6 (and I've

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Chaz Chandler
Is there any problem connecting 1.6 clients with 1.4.14 servers? Nope. Works fine. Overall, 1.6 clients seem to be working as well or better than 1.4 clients, although someone has reported reproducible hangs and crashes to me with 1.6 (and I've been trying to get him to file a bug report).

Re: [OpenAFS] When to publish security advisories?

2011-04-15 Thread Andy Cobaugh
On 2011-04-15 at 16:46, Russ Allbery ( r...@stanford.edu ) said: Patricia O'Reilly orei...@qualcomm.com writes: Is there any problem connecting 1.6 clients with 1.4.14 servers? Nope. Works fine. Overall, 1.6 clients seem to be working as well or better than 1.4 clients, although someone