Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Bert Verhees
I agree with this one. Option 1 would create a kind of forest of dependencies, many many archetypes in complex hierarchic systems, like SNOMED in the endnodes. I don't think anyone would want this. Option 2 is the option represents the power of OpenEHR. By the way, SNOMED also supports higher h

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Jussara macedo
I also recommend to use option 2. The most powerful feature of the openEHR approach is to have the concepts builds as lego blocks, the maximum data, aiming they can be reused in several scenarios. That let out of the messy spaces of specialist systems, each one modeling their own vision of concep

Re: Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi due to We developed a UK oriented termsrt as the LOINC based list used by HL7 CDA was too US oriented but the principle is identical. We will probably apply the term to composition name/value which allows mappings rather than the templateid. Both are available to AQL Ian On 26 Sep 2017 at 10

Re: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Seref Arikan
Hi Pablo, I am not a clinician but as an implementer I see the benefits of less specific archetypes quite often. The fundamental role of archetypes is reuse. It is so by design and templates solve the problem of composition (in the object oriented sense, not the RM type). I think the rule I try t

RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland
Hi all! I agree with Heather, making even just a subset of the generic archetypes context specific will lead to governance horrorfest, both on the CKM level and for each application/vendor. I imagine it also could make querying for specific clinical concepts across different clinical contexts m

Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Diego Boscá
I agree with Ian that we should probably use a real 'coded' approach? I believe HL7 uses Loinc for that. Spanish MoH has also proposed snomed terms for each entry in the national archetypes. Maybe we can explore something like this before trying to create our own pseudoterminology 2017-09-26 11:10

Re: RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Heather That is pretty well my approach too. I think we will start yo see more formal coding of composition names to be able to accurately identify the content. In the UK we have developed a document name SNOMED subset for this purpose and will also use this for ihe xds metadata. Ian On 26 Se

RE: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Heather Leslie
Hi Pablo, The modeller’s dilemma! If you make clinical synopsis more specific then how many variations will there be in the end? We will end up with zillions of variations of all the generic archetypes which will be an absolute governance nightmare. I would prefer to see the queryable filter m

SV: Modeling generic concepts, considerations for querying

2017-09-26 Thread Lars Morgan Karlsen
Hi I prefer modelling with specialized and small archetypes, this way I may choose to query across templates (contains [openEHR.EHR.OBSERVATION.whatever.v1]) or ask for the template/specific composition if the context is important. So, your model method 1 does not exclude using queries method 2