Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-03 Thread Judah Richardson
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:21 AM Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > Alan is, of course, correct. You can't have *all* of them fixed in a code > base as large as a modern OS. But you can fix the important stuff. And what > a prospective user ex

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-03 Thread Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
Alan is, of course, correct. You can't have *all* of them fixed in a code base as large as a modern OS. But you can fix the important stuff. And what a prospective user experiences when they boot the Live Image and attempt an install is critical. When experienced people have major problems doi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-03 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 02.05.21 23:55, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: ... It's only 26 pages, but it's the only description of the internals of ZFS I've been able to find. > ... Some older references with a practical approach to the internals: Leall's Blog:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-03 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hey Reg Lucas and Jude are ZFS Authors. On FreeBSD, but we have patches with their name in illumos these days. In general the book applies to both ZFS version, excluding things like draid. But We don't want divergence. The Plan to migrate to that ZFS repo is still going. -Till On 02.05.2

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System McKusick, Neville-Neil & Watson Addison-Wesley 2015 2nd ed Chapter 10: The Zettabyte Filesystem It's only 26 pages, but it's the only description of the internals of ZFS I've been able to find. The FreeBSD Mastery books on ZFS by L

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Bob Friesenhahn writes: >Perhaps you are talking about the FreeBSD Handbook rather than the >software implementation. I am not encountering any issues with the OI >manual pages or the software. The OI Wiki is another story >altogether. The OI Handbook is making good progress tow

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Till Wegmueller
I do see the Argo Technologies (DilOS) people in the Sponsors and Josh in the Print screen of the Youtube. But no mention by name. But it's 2020 who knows what Happened :) What I known from first hand reports of the Leadership Calls, Illumos wants to do the migration ton OpenZFS too but it's a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Judah Richardson
On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 9:44 AM Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 2021, Judah Richardson wrote: > >> > > Both OI and FreeBSD use the same OpenZFS upstream so the documentation > > specific to ZFS for one works for both ;) I've also found Oracle Solaris > > The above statement is no longer act

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 5/2/21 6:35 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sun, 2 May 2021, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: My personal preference is for "all known bugs fixed" release points. If someone wants to track changes more often then the "pkg update" mechanism provides that. The "all known bug

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 2 May 2021, Judah Richardson wrote: Both OI and FreeBSD use the same OpenZFS upstream so the documentation specific to ZFS for one works for both ;) I've also found Oracle Solaris The above statement is no longer actually true. OpenZFS is no longer "based" on the Illumos implementat

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Judah Richardson
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 7:42 PM Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > > Gparted(1m) on the Live Image worked at one time. Now it does not. But > it's still there despite my raising an issue and the triviality of simply > removing it from the Desk

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-02 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 2 May 2021, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: My personal preference is for "all known bugs fixed" release points. If someone wants to track changes more often then the "pkg update" mechanism provides that. The "all known bugs fixed" release points are not even remote

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-01 Thread Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
Gparted(1m) on the Live Image worked at one time. Now it does not. But it's still there despite my raising an issue and the triviality of simply removing it from the Desktop. I don't recall if the "Getting Started" document referenced in the GUI installer was ever there. I'd have to boot disks

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-01 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hi Reg Hipster is a Rolling release model meaning updates land directly in the package repositories for each package. ISO "Releases" are simply there to mark a point where we look back onto the last 6 months and can actually see how much has moved. And it's the point we want to make it as st

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-01 Thread Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
So if I do a "pkg update" after each ISO release I should track the ISOs? How do I ensure that I pick up new packages in an ISO? Do I specify a tag? It seems unlikely that the package list would be immutable. Reg On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 05:52:51 PM CDT, Alan Coopersmith wrote: O

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 5/1/21 3:31 PM, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote: I tried a text-install of 2021.04.30  into an existing 2020.10.31 pool, but the user information didn't propagate to the new BE.  Is this a bug, install mistake or the wrong way to update? The wrong way to update. Install m

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Recommended way to migrate to a new release?

2021-05-01 Thread Judah Richardson
I'm on the rolling release, but pkg upgrade -v - r updates the OS & OI repo packages and also creates a rollback BE. As to how one moves between ISO releases, I have no idea. However, I've found the rolling release sufficiently stable for my purposes anyway. On Sat, May 1, 2021, 17:32 Reginald Be