[Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
After breaking my head over this for a few weeks, I believe I have figured out how to do this in a sane way. The fallacy was to assume that the login server and the user server would be one entity. That makes things overcomplicated and breaks the architecture all over the place. Now, here is w

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Sacha Magne
One question : Will thoses servers allow duplication across physicals servers to allow some kind of redundancies , ie one or several servers crashs won't impact the grid ? Sacha On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Melanie wrote: > After breaking my head over this for a few weeks, I believe I hav

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
That is outside the scope of OpenSim. It can be handled at the database level. Melanie Sacha Magne wrote: > One question : > Will thoses servers allow duplication across physicals servers to allow > some kind of redundancies , ie one or several servers crashs won't impact > the grid ? > > Sac

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
+1 on this, especially separating the login functionality from everything else. (I'll be back working on opensim shortly; I've been traveling and had some technical difficulties at the destination) Melanie wrote: > After breaking my head over this for a few weeks, I believe I have > figured ou

Re: [Opensim-dev] General status of OpenSim on 64 bit Linux Architecture

2009-06-22 Thread James Stallings II
Nebadon is spot-on wrt the per-region consumption of memory. For whatever reason, once a region hits about 1.5GB in memory, the region becomes completely unuseable in any meaningful sense. Unfortunately that is about the best description I can offer as I no longer have access to the hardware in que

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Stefan Andersson
Separating login from user service has been one of my concerns for quite some time; doing so allow closed grids to expose only the login service while keeping all other interfaces behind the firewall. I would argue that there should be exactly one grid services http port that has to be opened

[Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi Guys, I was using the opensim today with 25 students on a local network and it seems as if the server side software could not even handle 25 users. I am very concerned about this as I would like to scale this up to around 800 users and build my own grid for this high school I am helping. Howeve

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Nebadon Izumi
At this current time getting 800 people into 1 region is going to be virtually impossible, even with the load balance the region max limit is probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of around 100 users max per 1 region, without load balancing your going to get about 30-40 users max per r

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi Nebadon, Thanks for your info, it's really shedding light on this issue. I might not of explained what I am after in detail. I am not looking to run 1 sim, I am looking to run multiple sims that will handle the load of 800 users. I do not know how to make those sims (not regions I know how to ma

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Nebadon Izumi wrote: > At this current time getting 800 people into 1 region is going to be > virtually impossible, one thing you need to figure out is how many users will be online at a time. also if this is going to be a Private Grid for the highschool you also

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP! [bayes]

2009-06-22 Thread Dirk Krause
Hi, I don't want to spoil the show for OpenSim here, but if you really want 800 users in a virtual world there is no way around ActiveWorlds (http://activeworlds.com/ ) - at least that's how IBM does it according to David van Gent. When it comes to user number of 50 or higher at one place, they

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi Rogert, Thanks for your response! I am going to ask now how many. We are building classrooms for the kids to join class. I am thinking that there will be 4 classrooms on each island. Nothing too big, but nothing too small. We do not need to give space to the kids, or to the facilitators. We jus

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP! [bayes]

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi Dirk, I am not 100% towards the opensim. What I am NOT allowed to do is to use a 3rd party grid. The school has made it clear this must be hosted by them or hosted by a stand alone company (server farm) and cannot be hosted by a 3rd party like Linden Lab or Activeworlds. Unless there is a stand

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users...HELP! [bayes]

2009-06-22 Thread Dirk Krause
That's exactly what AW does. You can host it completely in-house. Again, I didn't try it myself but I know several members of this list did. Since the AW issue is going off-topic for this list, and we will talk anyhow, I close here. Best, Dirk Von: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berli

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Michael Cortez
Andrew Hughes wrote: > Thanks for your info, it's really shedding light on this issue. I > might not of explained what I am after in detail. I am not looking to > run 1 sim, I am looking to run multiple sims that will handle the load > of 800 users. I do not know how to make those sims (not regi

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Guys, Thanks for all your help on this! I wanted to provide you with the information regarding what we are aiming to achieve with the school. I hope the info below sheds light on what you guys think would be the best solution to my challenge. Let me know what you guys think! *1. How many users

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Charles Krinke
Well, let me jump in here a little bit. If I were going to set this up, I would start with four OpenSim regions, each running on a different Linux server. I would put them in a square and make the landing point at the four-corner junction. I would then make each of the four regions a seperate

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
Actually, Stefan, that has already happened :) Melanie Stefan Andersson wrote: > Separating login from user service has been one of my concerns for quite some > time; doing so allow closed grids to expose only the login service while > keeping all other interfaces behind the firewall. > > > I

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP! [bayes]

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
This is an OpenSim mailing list. Endorsing ActiveWorlds is out of scope for this list. Dirk Krause wrote: > Hi, > > > > I don't want to spoil the show for OpenSim here, but if you really want > 800 users in a virtual world there is no way around ActiveWorlds > (http://activeworlds.com/ ) - at

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
Hello, my name is Melanie Thielker, I'm the CEO of 3DHosting GmbH, Germany. Hosting 3D worlds based on OpenSim is what we do. We also provide consultancy services for setting up Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) for those customers who wish to do their own hosting and provide service contracts

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Melanie
There I go, that was not supposed to go on-list. Sorry for the spam. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Stefan Andersson
I'm so happy saltwater melds in my eyes. <3 Best regards, Stefan Andersson > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:35:48 +0200 > From: mela...@t-data.com > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... > HELP! > > There I go, that w

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi Chris, Thanks for your comments! Right now my thought was the 4 sim islands. We were going to use a windows server to run these. Would that be an issue? I am thinking that your solution is probably best. Does anyone know any cost effective server hosting companies? My thought exactly about ba

Re: [Opensim-dev] Help needed for stand alone grid for 800 users... HELP!

2009-06-22 Thread Charles Krinke
Dear Andrew: All my personal experience is with Linux servers, but there are lots of folks that use Windows servers. The choice of operating system is more a religious discussion then a technical discussion. If you are having problems with 20 avatars, then something is not right. Each week at

Re: [Opensim-dev] Shaping the user services

2009-06-22 Thread Antti Kokko
Sounds good. How about separating the friend management as well. Did you plan to include it in User Server? - Antti 2009/6/22 Melanie > Actually, Stefan, that has already happened :) > > Melanie > > Stefan Andersson wrote: > > Separating login from user service has been one of my concerns for q