[Opensim-dev] Leaving Project

Hi guys, I have decided to leave the Opensim project. You will probably not even notice if I leave, as not being a programmer my only inputs were the writing of the step-by-step tutorials ( http://chapter-and-metaverse.blogspot.com/ ), the drafts of the OpenSim User Manual on the Forge, and hel

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Rock, I sympathize with you on many levels. I've also had my doubts regarding the future of OpenSim, but I have also maintained some degree of faith that things will pull through in the end. For me the shock came when I was abruptly informed that "OpenSim is not Second Life, is not int

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ould be talking to some of the 'next gen viewer' projects and seeing if we can get something awesome done faster. Regards, Adam From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len Brown Sent: Monday, 23 November 2009 5:07 AM To: open

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n Brown Sent: Mon 23/11/2009 13:06 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project Rock, I sympathize with you on many levels. I've also had my doubts regarding the future of OpenSim, but I have also maintained some degree of faith that things will pull

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I think the point about OpenSim not being Second Life needs to be expanded to point out there are things attempting to be more of a complete solution. realXtend ( http://www.realxtend.org/ ), Reaction Grid ( http://www.reactiongrid.com/ ) and SpotON3D ( https://spoton3d.com/ ) all spring to min

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If the goal of OpenSim is to be incompatible with everyone elses vision then I too have little further interest in the project. I'd hoped after IBM dropped OpenSim like a hot potato that the devs would realize the err of their ways and come round to a manageable and collaborative progression from

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-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len Brown Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:14 AM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project If the goal of OpenSim is to be incompatible with everyone elses vision then I too have little further interest in the project

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un...@lists.berlios.de [mailto: > opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of *Len Brown > *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 9:14 AM > > *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project > > > > If the goal of OpenSim is to be incompatible with ev

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er with easy to use, affordable tools. > > This community has given freely and I for one bow in respect to these > > gracious, giving and dedicated developers and testers and understand the > > incredibly complex job they face. Kudos Opensim we are with you for the > > lon

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[mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Jeroen van Veen Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:02 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project Wishlist 2010: * dump sl-client support * embrace naali Jeroen On Monday 23 November 2009 14:53:53 Jam

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sage- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto: > opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Jeroen van Veen > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:02 PM > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project > > Wishlist 201

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Stick around pal we're listening to ya.. From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Len Brown Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:21 AM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project On Mon, Nov 2

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Hey Guys I am pretty new to OpenSim and in no way a c/c++/c# coder but I am a web developer and I wouldn't mind helping with the website. I too have failed to build OpenSim successfully since the only docs on the website are so outdated and so many changes have been made. I don't know what help I c

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It's easy to let the drama of one person leaving mess up your mojo. Moving forward, I think the one constructive point in Colin's e-mail is the documentation is really out of date. Good thing it's being worked on behind the scenes. Regards Teravus On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Marc Adore

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Adam, You hit the nail right on his head with this passage: *The big problem here is there’s a very real lack of viewer developers in this community – there is some overlap between server & network engineers (like the OS community) and 3D Viewer Developers here, but not much. If we do have 3D dev

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arc Adored Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:24 AM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project Hey Guys I am pretty new to OpenSim and in no way a c/c++/c# coder but I am a web developer and I wouldn't mind helping with the website. I too have failed t

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a Jeroen. In fact on a last note on this subject I > feel the people having success with the platform (our company for example) > need to be concerned the Opensim devs do not leave US! > > For this reason we are trying to spread work around to other dev's who may > be focused

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Please correct me if im wrong but doesn't that only apply to the protected SL files and not say meerkat or other open viewers. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Fly Man wrote: > Adam, > > You hit the nail right on his head with this passage: > > > *The big problem here is there’s a very real lac

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Colin, i have not seen you on this project in like a year or more, this seems like nothing more than an attempt by you to market Blue Mars to this group.. You have done nothing but talk about blue mars for as long as I can remember now.. as far as I am concerned you left this project about a year

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:55:13AM -0600, James Stallings II wrote: > Fly-Man, the viewer clause you reference refers -only- to the linden viewer > code, not all viewer code everywhere; in this thread we are explicitly > excluding those viewers based on code from our friends at Linden Labs. Are th

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Hi Robert, Probably the only two non-LL viewer projects that are active are Rex's Naali and the idealist viewer - talk to any of the Rex folks about the former and Dahlia Trimble (dahlia in IRC on Freenode) about the latter. Cheers On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote: >

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James Stallings II wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Probably the only two non-LL viewer projects that are active are Rex's > Naali and the idealist viewer - talk to any of the Rex folks about the > former and Dahlia Trimble (dahlia in IRC on Freenode) about the latter. You may also want to check out 3di

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: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project Colin, i have not seen you on this project in like a year or more, this seems like nothing more than an attempt by you to market Blue Mars to this group.. You have done nothing but talk about blue mars for as long as I can

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im. > > Rock > > > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > [opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > ] On Behalf Of Michael Cerquoni [nebadon2...@gmail.com] > Sent: 23 November 2009 18:07 > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject:

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Len Brown wrote: > > For me the shock came when I was abruptly informed that *"OpenSim is not > Second Life, is not intended to be like Second Life, nor ever will."* I > still haven't the foggiest idea what this developer had smoked for them to > so strongly asse

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community together wherever it occurs. From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Morgaine Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:04 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:06

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> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2009 6:04 PM > > *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Len Brown wrote: > > > > For me the shock came when I was abruptly informed that *"Op

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I've already explained the futility of the concept of "trade secret" protection when LL already released the viewer code, and the specifications for connecting to a server -- they told the secret, themselves, and to be a trade secret first something must be secret. The only thing they can claim is

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otherwise, that's the way the policy is going to stay. Regards, Adam > -Original Message- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- > boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Kyle Hamilton > Sent: Monday, 23 November 2009 3:46 PM > To: opensim

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Wow everyone. I should take afternoon naps more often. I've slept and rested, and read all the replies that have filtered down since my first "outburst" this morning and I would gladly be willing to assist in any proper way that I can. As Kyle said, so kindly, it is far more fruitful if we work

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I'll follow up in email Len. Others pinged me too so well done motivating us... ReactionGrid Mobile On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Len Brown wrote: Wow everyone. I should take afternoon naps more often. I've slept and rested, and read all the replies that have filtered down since my fi

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*Kyle and others, I just sent this email to Adam, but thought it may be a good idea to see what others think as well. It relates to one big thorn I've seen present itself again and again - and not just on opensimulator.org but other documentation sites that try to keep up to date info on a r

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on the subject of having the opensim server "mobile"/portable i have on a flash chip a copy of the Diva version and (with everything else) a copy of Portable XAMP (with launcher) so it does seem that this kind of thing will work with very little effort. Now getting some sort of GUI to admin the se

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I have very successfully used XAMPP as a primary feature of my portable opensim project. Utilized the included Apache server alongside the, also included phpMyAdmin any web browser will do to bring up phpMyAdmin to create MySQL databases, users, etc. I do much of this using http://www.portableapp

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2009/11/23, Frisby, Adam : > The big problem here is there's a very real lack of viewer developers in > this community - there is some overlap between server & network engineers > (like the OS community) and 3D Viewer Developers here, but not much. If we > do have 3D devs in the community who haven

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Wasn't the problem with c# and ogre, that the ogre ports(ogre.net/mogre) for c# didn't run properly crossplatform? jeroen On Monday 23 November 2009 20:01:04 Justin Clark-Casey wrote: > James Stallings II wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > Probably the only two non-LL viewer projects that are active

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Hi: Morgaine, I agree with you except: - SL is based on highly *centralized* concepts of *identity, storage and control*, which come together to create either a walled garden or a prison planet, depending on one's perspective. Whatever one's worldview, the end result is badly non-sc

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r 2009 09:42 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Leaving Project Hi: Morgaine, I agree with you except: * SL is based on highly centralized concepts of identity, storage and control, which come together to create either a walled garden or a prison planet, dep

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*"OpenSim is not Second Life, is not intended to be like Second Life, nor ever will be."* As the developer who was quoted there, I'd like to say that breaking compatibility is not my aim and should not be construed into that quote. Rather, my statement means that we will not allow OpenSim to be _

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I Agree with separating the documentation for each release. My biggest issue was trying to fix the "bugs" specified on the how to in the version I downloaded and the bug didn't even exist in that version. The mixture of ROBUST in with documentation on the old method is very confusing. I actually de

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:42:28AM +0100, Impalah Shenzhou wrote: > How can I trust anyone who hasn't been authorized through a well known > trusting system? The same way you trust people you meet through e-mail, the same way you trust websites from which you purchase things and to which you give

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Yes and no. I am not talking about 2 friends connecting their sims, I am thinking in thousands. I can't have in my computer a database with thousands of "trusted" users... well I can, but I don't want to waste space. Visa, Paypal, American Express, etc... all are trusted organizations. When you m

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Because that I like the realXtend's proposal with Taiga 0.0.2, and the trusth servers, because you can accept the OpenId from some services. Alberto 2009/11/24 Impalah Shenzhou > Yes and no. > > I am not talking about 2 friends connecting their sims, I am thinking in > thousands. I can't have i

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If you want to get deep into trust issues, the AW Groupies on Second Life, and/or Zero Linden's (once monthly) office hour would be good places to ask... The short answer though is we'd expect to see a number of "trust sources", and you then tell your grid to trust grids they approve (much like

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Has sense if you apply the right selection, because you select the trust servers than would like, for example this way, or in our server we select OpenId from the spanish friend's servers. Alberto 2009/11/24 J

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+1 to all of this. There's no intention to break SL compatibility in OpenSim - rather the aim (as effectively stated for a long time on our website front page) is to make OpenSim a platform that can run many different virtual environments in many different use cases. I think the most that wil

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I just want to say I am very grateful to all developers, testers and people writing user notes and documentation on the project. Some of which we have used to assist us, and to which we have contributed when we have had knowledge to offer. I do realise that community members will come and ago

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On 11/23/2009 03:13 PM, Len Brown wrote: > If the goal of OpenSim is to be incompatible with everyone elses vision > then I too have little further interest in the project. errm: the statement "OpenSim is not SecondLife" IS NOT EQUIVALENT to "the goal of OpenSim is to be incompatible with everyone

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On 11/23/2009 05:43 PM, Fly Man wrote: > Adam, > > You hit the nail right on his head with this passage: > > *The big problem here is there’s a very real lack of viewer developers > in this community – there is some overlap between server & network engineers > (like the OS community) and 3D Viewe

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Dr. Scofield, This is a two month old debate and issue, but since you quoted me from back on November 23rd, I'd like to offer a bit of an update for you. After I'd been assured by others that my arguments were unsubstantiated I was also assured by members of the development team that I would be p

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On 01/04/2010 03:56 PM, Len Brown wrote: > Dr. Scofield, > > This is a two month old debate and issue, but since you quoted me from > back on November 23rd, I'd like to offer a bit of an update for you. > > After I'd been assured by others that my arguments were unsubstantiated > I was also assur

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Len, Hate to say this but im not even sure who you are, I spend almost every day in our Development channels, and I do not recall you ever making such a request or even spending anytime in our IRC channel discussing what you are doing. If you are sitting around waiting for one of our devs to cont

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