[osol-discuss] Dumb Question Time

Greetings All! I'm pretty stoked that this is happening, I've been waiting for it for years. Hopefully its not too late to make a difference. All that aside, I'm preparing to evaluate opensolaris on an intel box, and have a few goofy questions that I haven't been able to gather from the faq or

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Robert W. Fuller wrote: >Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, merely that the license be >modified to be GPL compatible. If you can find one (i.e., "GPL compatible"), you really should patent it. :-) This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does thismean? (round 3)

On 8/19/05, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an > > instant, and I suspect > > > others would as well. Because at that point, it > > would become useless > > > > Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, > > mer

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does thismean? (round 3)

> Shawn Walker wrote: > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an > instant, and I suspect > > others would as well. Because at that point, it > would become useless > > Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, > merely that the license be > modified to be GPL compatible. But what

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Shawn Walker wrote: > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect > others would as well. Because at that point, it would become useless Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, merely that the license be modified to be GPL compatible.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

On 8/19/05, Robert W. Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yet, I seem to have missed the forest for the trees I'm inhabiting. Indeed, > the > cross pollination at the operating system level makes an even stronger case > for > compatibility between the GPL and CDDL licenses. I don't follow the c

[osol-discuss] ksh88 <-> ksh93

FYI, here is a comment from dgk: | Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT) | From: David Korn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | I do not know Sun's ARC process, but I have added some comments anyway. | Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help. | I get a lot of mail from users complaining

[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Richard M. Stallman wrote: > *BSD and Linux don't belong in the same list, because *BSD are > operating systems. Linux, however, is just a kernel. If you're > thinking of the operating system in which Linux is used, then what > you've said is an understatement. That system is not just cooperatin

[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

1. Instead of rampantly speculating about what the FSF website means when it says the CDDL and GPL are incompatible, has anybody tried asking the FSF? We say two licenses are "incompatible" when combining code released under those two licenses into a single program is legally impossible

[osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)]

--- Begin Message --- 1. Instead of rampantly speculating about what the FSF website means when it says the CDDL and GPL are incompatible, has anybody tried asking the FSF? We say two licenses are "incompatible" when combining code released under those two licenses into a single program

Re: [osol-discuss] Status of 3rd party packages

Schmidt, Nicholas (Contractor) wrote: Is it possible at this time to install OpenSolaris and use pkgsrc/portage/pkg-get to get a complete working system. I am working at a new job and need to learn solaris but miss bleeding edge BSD/Linux. Any help and answers would be much appreciated The

Re: [osol-discuss] Conference Presence

Al Hopper wrote: > > Since we're discussing OpenSolaris I think you should expand the scope of > this discussion beyond Sun engineers and look at it from the perspective of > OpenSolaris participation at various conferences. > Absolutely. I tried to get that idea across in my original note, b

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Conference Presence

Thanks Richard. Will do. Joerg also mentioned CeBIT a while back. When I checked into it, it seemed to be more of a tradeshow than a conference. That is, lots of booths and pods, but not a lot of talks and BoFs. Do I have that right? T Richard Elling wrote: > Having worked the Sun @ Supercomm

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

Sun has recently started a "Student Developer Program" in Taiwan. Basically, it says that (in traditional Chinese, & I am not going to translate it): . . . 並在台啟動學生開發者計畫(Student Developer Program)。 名為Java Studio Creator 2 Early Access搶先計畫的開發者預覽版本，是昇陽首度在新版軟體產品尚在開發階段便公開發表、提供下載試用的計畫。昇陽大中華區市場總監李

[osol-discuss] Status of 3rd party packages

Is it possible at this time to install OpenSolaris and use pkgsrc/portage/pkg-get to get a complete working system. I am working at a new job and need to learn solaris but miss bleeding edge BSD/Linux. Any help and answers would be much appreciated Nick The views expressed on this message are min

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Jörg (Creator of SchilliX, the first OpenSolaris-based distro outside of Sun) wrote: >As long as there are no ports for typical embedded processors, there is >no need to advertize this feature. I was talking about devices drivers for chipsets, video, sound, wireless, modems, etc., that are an

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

"W. Wayne Liauh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CDDL (or more specifically, a code licensed under the CDDL) can be considered > as consisting of two portions: the GPL portion and the proprietary portion. > If enough manpower (gender neutral) can be mustered to eliminate the need for > the propri

[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

CDDL (or more specifically, a code licensed under the CDDL) can be considered as consisting of two portions: the GPL portion and the proprietary portion. If enough manpower (gender neutral) can be mustered to eliminate the need for the proprietary code, then Sun can easily re-license OpenSolari

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Stephen Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL: > >>http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD > >> > >>If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a > >>lot of licensing systems. You can also see that there ar

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Joerg Schilling wrote: James Lick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a lot of licensing systems. You can also see that th

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

James Lick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL: > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD > > If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a > lot of licensing systems. You can also see that there are ways to ga

[osol-discuss] Re: Conference Presence

Having worked the Sun @ Supercomm booth several times, I know that we usually do have a presence and a booth in the vendor area. Check with GSO marketing to find out what the current status is. Cebit is very important, too. -- richard This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

On 8/19/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Lick -- 黎建溥 wrote > >You are right though that there > >hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible > >with the CDDL though. > > Since CDDL is based on MPL, some of the incompatibilities are explained in > La

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

On Aug 19, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Robert W. Fuller wrote: Alright, I wonder about this myself as well. I read through all the threads discussing this issue at http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa? forumID=13. I feel compelled to make a few comments and suggestions: 1. Instead of rampa

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris community activity - some volumes

All, For those interested, some measurements of the last 2 months' activity on OpenSolaris.org. Weeks are defined as follows (Opening Day was a Tuesday, hence weeks run Tuesday-Monday!) WeekStart-End 1 06/14/05-06/20/05 2 06/21/05-06/27/05 3 06/28/05-07/04/05 4 07/05/

Re: [osol-discuss] Conference Presence

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Teresa Giacomini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm working on a plan for participation by Sun engineers at various > conferences in the coming months. Here is a list of conferences at > which we *hope* to have an (Open)Solaris presence (now through June > 2006). What do you thin

[osol-discuss] Re: console driver for Permedia3 graphics card

Hi Indro, You need to tokenize your fcode to bytecode, using an fcode tokenizer such as "Toke" - http://www.openbios.org/development/toke.html Toke allows you to create a flash rom image that can be burned using the vendors' flash update tool or other firmware flashers. There is some module in

[osol-discuss] Re: RE: Re: openboot/openfirmware screenshots

I took a couple in http://specialbusservice.com/openboot/ I could probably take some better ones when move the machine to the new office where there is a better camera, in a few weeks. I was also thinking of porting the openfirmware support to x86 though (as I want to try running OpenSolaris o

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

On 8/19/05, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Beijing users group: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/bjosug/ Ouch, missed that. The user group community is here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/Also, the Chinese Users Community is being set up now. Siyuan

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

Tao Chen wrote: > > On 8/19/05, *W. Wayne Liauh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Looks like this issue is dead, RIP? ? ? No one cares to continue? ? ? > > > I would like to see some local OpenSolaris user groups in Beijing, > Shanghai, etc. > I am a little dis

[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

James Lick -- 黎建溥 wrote >You are right though that there >hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible >with the CDDL though. Since CDDL is based on MPL, some of the incompatibilities are explained in Larry Rosen's book: "Open Source Licensing", Prentice Hall, 2004 This

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

On 8/19/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looks like this issue is dead, RIP? ? ?  No one cares to continue? ? ? I would like to see some local OpenSolaris user groups in Beijing, Shanghai, etc. I am a little disappointed this hasn't happened (at least not announced) yet, given that fa

[osol-discuss] Re: Really simple docs for Solaris 10 Installation .. in progress ...

Here is very nice guide to installation of OpenSolaris (Solaris Express / BFU): http://portal.fsn.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9065&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list ope

[osol-discuss] Re: Really simple docs for Solaris 10 Installation .. in progress ...

Dennis Clarke wrote: >There seems to be a crying need out there for really dead simple >docs on how to install Solaris 10 as well as Solaris Express. Thus I >have begun : > http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/sol10/book.html >This is a work in progress and I will work on this night and day >t

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

Robert W. Fuller wrote: 2. Many of us consider GPL/CDDL compatibility a prerequisite for the Open Solaris project to flourish. Consider the wonderful cross-pollination between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and the vast repertoire of the FSF. The compatibility between the BSD and GPL licens