Hello, Callum.
Thank you for the answer which indicates that the project is possibly not
abandoned by Oracle, at least. ;)
I'd only like to join others with the plea for some more available information
- since a lot of FUD spreads based on suspicion and lack of replies.
Some banner on an
On 01.05.2010 21:42, Jim Klimov wrote:
Hello, Callum.
Thank you for the answer which indicates that the project is possibly not
abandoned by Oracle, at least. ;)
I'd only like to join others with the plea for some more available
information - since a lot of FUD spreads based on
As stated many times now on many of the public lists on solaris and/or
opensolaris:
Oracle states something, when it's there! So, as sad as tgat is, we need to get
used to it.
And others already mentioned that build 134a is done, so that's at least an
indication...
So, we all need to wait
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote:
Hello, Callum.
Thank you for the answer which indicates that the project is possibly not
abandoned by Oracle, at least. ;)
I'd only like to join others with the plea for some more available
information - since a lot of FUD
You're right.
My memory was that he'd resigned and I only found news articles saying as much
(and until I corrected it, the Wikipedia article also stated he'd resigned;
unfortunately I can't fix the news articles that say he resigned rather than
not being offered a position at Oracle). I had
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Paul Armstrong opensola...@otoh.org wrote:
You're right.
My memory was that he'd resigned and I only found news articles saying as
much (and until I corrected it, the Wikipedia article also stated he'd
resigned; unfortunately I can't fix the news articles
Waiting
Why no any office news about Opensolaris ?
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On 22/04/2010 00:13, john wrote:
Waiting
Why no any office news about Opensolaris ?
Because, like every other time people have asked, it's not ready yet.
Cheeri,
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Except that Simon resigned. It was his decision not Oracle's.
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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Paul Armstrong opensola...@otoh.org wrote:
Except that Simon resigned. It was his decision not Oracle's.
Who says that? Who or what are your sources??
If I recall correctly, he told the opposite:
You can get around the boot loop issue by editing the Grub menu entry (press
e at the boot screen). Delete the line referencing splash.xpm and remove the
text ,console=graphics from the boot line. You should get past the boot
sequence. Edit /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst to make the changes
this isn't really a reply. As I can't offer any help. New user to Open solaris.
I am really disappointed in the hassle to get any version up and running.
I don't have the time or experience (any more) to have to keep coming up with
patches to get the damn thing to work.
I downloaded 2009.06 and
I believe that 2010.03 will be released when some critical bugs
(http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-April/017812.html)
will be fixed - probably in b138
(http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-April/017814.html)
- but it's not an official info, just
You (Alex Viskovatoff) ask:
Just out of curiosity, do you know under what OS CERN uses ZFS?
No, but either Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris... ;-)
Matthias
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On 31.03.2010 10:06, Orvar Korvar wrote:
If you value your data, you should reconsider. But if your data is not
important, then skip ZFS.
File system data corruption test by researcher:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=169
ZFS data corruption test by researchers:
You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
On 31.03.2010 10:06, Orvar Korvar wrote:
If you value your data, you should reconsider. But if your data is not
important, then skip ZFS.
File system data corruption test by researcher:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=169
ZFS data corruption test by
On 14.04.2010 09:07, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
On 31.03.2010 10:06, Orvar Korvar wrote:
If you value your data, you should reconsider. But if your data is not
important, then skip ZFS.
File system data corruption test by researcher:
You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
Check:
http://storagemojo.com/2007/09/19/cerns-data-corruption-research/
Which is another worthless document, without any info on what
controllers they actually tested with.
I too can make claim about corruption and data loss. But without
pointing
On 14.04.2010 09:33, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
Check:
http://storagemojo.com/2007/09/19/cerns-data-corruption-research/
Which is another worthless document, without any info on what
controllers they actually tested with.
I too can make claim about
You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
What's it, your after? That study is more than 2 years old now, and the
RAID-controllers, that didn't work, probably will have updated their FWs by
now.
Ahh, so first you use the papers to prove how superior ZFS is to
raidcontrollers for your data. Then, when
Hmmm... I am glad I can change the backdrop. :-)
Now, In the future it will most likely violate the usage agreement to remove or
revamp any Oracle logos.
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What about Apple? Apple is also a small
Unix-Vendor, has NO OpenSource
Version, and keeps MacOS alive and kicking to
generate immense revenue from
its IP... ;-)
No need for the double quotes. Mac OS X on Intel is certified SUSv3, i.e.,
genuine UNIX.
Also, the kernel parts are opensource
Paul,
You (Paul Floyd) wrote:
You (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
What about Apple? Apple is also a small
Unix-Vendor, has NO OpenSource
Version, and keeps MacOS alive and kicking to
generate immense revenue from
its IP... ;-)
No need for the double quotes. Mac OS X on Intel is certified
CERN now uses (not at all yet, but going there) ZFS just for the obvious
reasons! They produce massive data, and need that data to be correct
Just out of curiosity, do you know under what OS CERN uses ZFS?
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On 07.04.2010 03:30, Erik Trimble wrote:
Email from bsd is a consistent (if subtle) troll.
Please do not feed him by replying to any posts of his.
Seems the definition of troll here is someone who isn't drinking the
fanboi koolaid. I had hoped that such rabid behavior was something left
On 07/04/2010 03:02, bsd wrote:
I'm entitled to share my thoughts, especially since I've used OpenSolaris from
its inception through build 129; but it seems you're only accepting of opinions
that align with your own?
It doesn't matter for how long you've been using Open Solaris.
Frankly,
I do accept other opinions.
But: You're not correct, and you're misreading stuff in a subtle way and using
well-constructed mis-leading WRONG assumptions drawn from what YOU interpret
into YOUR reading...
I just proofed it with a SINGLE sentence that you put into your last
email. I'm to lazy to
On 07/04/2010 01:54, bsd wrote:
You can read many things into words and statements, but if you read carefully
how Oracle responds to questions about Solaris and OpenSolaris, you can only
wonder what will happen once the dust settles.
Oracle is investing more in Solaris than Sun did prior to
Hmmm. I guess it is who you are and if your opinions are in line with
Oracle/OpenSolaris because the previous post seems to be against the agreement
in joining and nothing has been said to them?
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http://bit.ly/9Yzjs0
You (bsd) wrote:
Hmmm. I guess it is who you are and if your opinions are in line with
Oracle/OpenSolaris because the previous post seems to be against the
agreement in joining and nothing has been said to them?
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As well as in:
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?sessionId=containerId=lcUS22283210
It's an IDC Statement w.r.t.: A Sun Support Migration Plan: Oracle Announces
New Support Offerings for Systems
I (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
You might be interested in reading:
http://bit.ly/9Yzjs0
You people are really uptight and defensive about OpenSolaris and any talk
about negative intentions Oracle may have towards it.
I stand by my position about x86/Sparc, it was developed for x86 laptops
(OpenSolaris is like PC-BSD), because who would develop a data center operating
system
You (bsd) wrote:
You people are really uptight and defensive about OpenSolaris and any talk
about negative intentions Oracle may have towards it.
At least we know, who we are, and aren't posting anonymously...
Just again, to state it clearly:
Open Source is Open Source is Open
On 04/ 7/10 11:57 AM, bsd wrote:
You people are really uptight and defensive about OpenSolaris and any talk
about negative intentions Oracle may have towards it.
I stand by my position about x86/Sparc, it was developed for x86 laptops
(OpenSolaris is like PC-BSD), because who would develop a
I (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
It's great on a laptop. But the last build I can get to work on my laptop
is 129. I tried again last night when I reinstalled with build 129 and did
an image-update. It merely does a continuous loop. I get the grub menu
and select the new b-e then it
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The question is IF. And WHY all the silence and
secrecy??
Because they have other things to do?
Because it's *so* much work to make a small announcement on the main page
saying they're sorry they won't make the previous deadline and maybe give us a
new estimate?
I realise we might not
Ok, I was patient enough and enough is enough.
No point arguing with you about basic facts Mr Anonymous Coward.
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The question is IF. And WHY all the silence and
secrecy??
Because they have other things to do?
Because it's *so* much work to make a small
announcement on the main page saying they're sorry
they won't make the previous deadline and maybe give
us a new estimate?
If they don' know
All of them are at risk to lose their job now? As far as I know we don't know
anything about their job security.
So since we don't know about their job security (or lack thereof) I'm basing my
posts on the assumption that they're not all going to get the sack anytime soon.
I'm not asking them
Nice there was no reprimand for the idiot who keeps saying BULLSHIT.
So, your comments are BULLSHIT.
Now, I bet I get some comments telling me my language is inappropriate,
although that never happened to the other BULLSHITTER.
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
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On 04/ 7/10 03:37 PM, bsd wrote:
Nice there was no reprimand for the idiot who keeps saying...
Folks, please keep it civil or take your discussion off-list.
Can we please let this thread die now?
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You did state it yourself.
Why should Oracle, the second largest SW company on rge planet, put something
s minor on the front page of oracle.com?
There are way more important things there...
And opensolaris.com never did count-downs...
And opensolaris.org is NOT responsible for the
Hey, anonymous bsd mascot green, calm down...
I did call some statements of yours bullshit, especially the one claiming
that osol was only made for x86. That's been a wrong statement, and as you kept
insisting, I called it bullshit. I know otherwise, as I could follow internally what's
been
On 04/ 7/10 04:53 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
So, how's build 134 doing?
It seems, you have an thinkpad with a nvidia card, as the only
reported systems having that reboot-loop-problem were some such...
I had the same problem with my Nvidia Quadro 1600M Graphics card in a
Clevo D901C
Peace pipe accepted. :-)
I set 'console=text' but it still loops. I have also set 'acpi-user-options=2'
because otherwise I get a kernel panic. Anything after b129 is problematic for
some reason.
It's a Toshiba L505D-S5983.
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On 04/ 7/10 07:58 PM, bsd wrote:
Peace pipe accepted. :-)
I set 'console=text' but it still loops. I have also set 'acpi-user-options=2'
because otherwise I get a kernel panic. Anything after b129 is problematic for
some reason.
It's a Toshiba L505D-S5983.
Upgrading from b129 on several
On 04/ 8/10 11:58 AM, bsd wrote:
Peace pipe accepted. :-)
I set 'console=text' but it still loops. I have also set 'acpi-user-options=2'
because otherwise I get a kernel panic. Anything after b129 is problematic for
some reason.
It's a Toshiba L505D-S5983.
Try creating a grub entry
When using debug I noticed the problem that John Martin described above which
is:
/kernel/misc/amd64/pci_autoconfig:
undefined symbol 'pcie_get_rc_dip'
WARNING: mod_load: cannot load module 'pci_autoconfig'
I used the exact steps he published and am working now in b134!
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You (James Mansion) wrote:
?? ?? (Martin Bochnig) wrote:
No, you are missing the point.
The idea was to provide a free and open AllInOne A to Z software
platform stack, that would be able to compete with LinUX and to win
the OS battle.
Then that was a mind-numbingly stupid
You (James Mansion) wrote:
Microsoft have never had a problem with ISV mindshare because they made
things cheap and accessible. Free is just one form of cheap from that
perspective. I absolutely believe that Microsoft's success is not nearly so
much related to monopolistic practices as to
What about Apple? Apple is also a small Unix-Vendor, has NO OpenSource
Version, and keeps MacOS alive and kicking to generate immense revenue from
its IP... ;-)
I would like to give some of my thoughts regarding this statement. Namely,Apple
doesn't sell MacOS - it actually sells hardware
On 06.04.2010 11:04, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
You (James Mansion) wrote:
?? ?? (Martin Bochnig) wrote:
No, you are missing the point.
The idea was to provide a free and open AllInOne A to Z software
platform stack, that would be able to compete with LinUX and to win
the OS battle.
I think the engineers at Sun should take their time with this release and
release it whenever it's ready and bug free and not let peer pressure from the
community or from management force them to make a final 2010.04 release that
has critical bugs in it. I want to use this next release on
You can read many things into words and statements, but if you read carefully
how Oracle responds to questions about Solaris and OpenSolaris, you can only
wonder what will happen once the dust settles.
Oracle is investing more in Solaris than Sun did prior to the acquisition, and
will continue
Email from bsd is a consistent (if subtle) troll.
Please do not feed him by replying to any posts of his.
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I'm entitled to share my thoughts, especially since I've used OpenSolaris from
its inception through build 129; but it seems you're only accepting of opinions
that align with your own?
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Simon Phipps wrote:
Ths thing I find interesting in the article, and indeed in many of your statements, is that you show absolutely no sign of self-doubt about whether open sourcing everything you could actually destroyed shareholder value and drove Sun down the toilet.
That's because it
James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com wrote:
Simon Phipps wrote:
Ths thing I find interesting in the article, and indeed in many of your
statements, is that you show absolutely no sign of self-doubt about
whether open sourcing everything you could actually destroyed shareholder
James: For 3 pretty ROI-worthless aquisitions alone (Cobalt, STK and
MySQL) Sun's top-management spent 10 Billion USD (ten thousand
millions!!!).
Every time the behaved like kids: At hopelessly overheated markets -
instead of selling something - they bought! Obviously the paid way
overpriced
I agree with that summary of real events and facts.
Hence I decided to post everything inline:
http://www.michaeldolan.com/1102
Thursday, February 14th, 2008
“I told you so” in order? Roy Fielding resigns from OpenSolaris
James, here you see that the opposite of your claims appears to be more true :
http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/
Roy Fielding[1] finally quit the OpenSolaris community today, see his
resignation letter[2]. The kettle finally boiled over and the
realization
Joerg Schilling wrote:
You are correct: without OpenSourcing Solaris, Sun would have been in trouble
earlier.
What evidence do you have for this? I know there have been externally
sourced code contributions, but how much of it needed source rather than
the stable ABIs, and how material is it
Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) wrote:
Solaris code for marketing purposes, rather than creating an
independent, community-led, open source project with the ability to
make real decisions.
I think you're missing the point. What is the benefit to Sun
shareholders to have Solaris so open,
2010/4/5 Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) mar...@martux.org:
James: For 3 pretty ROI-worthless aquisitions alone (Cobalt, STK and
MySQL) Sun's top-management spent 10 Billion USD (ten thousand
millions!!!).
Every time the behaved like kids: At hopelessly overheated markets -
instead of
2010/4/5 James Mansion ja...@mansionfamily.plus.com:
Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) wrote:
Solaris code for marketing purposes, rather than creating an
independent, community-led, open source project with the ability to
make real decisions.
I think you're missing the point. What is the
2010/4/5 Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) mar...@martux.org:
2010/4/5 Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) mar...@martux.org:
James: For 3 pretty ROI-worthless aquisitions alone (Cobalt, STK and
MySQL) Sun's top-management spent 10 Billion USD (ten thousand
millions!!!).
Every time the behaved
On Apr 5, 2010, at 14:19, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
Therefore the idea
to opensource the software has never been intended to create additional
revenue from it, but to generate mind-share with the developer community, so
that in FUTURE more ISVs, or big software-companies or even smaller
Volker A. Brandt wrote:
Hmmm... I have seen a number of OGB members post in the various lists.
What do you want them to do? Post yes, there will be 2010.03 every
day?
None of the new OGB members are involved with the 2010.03 release.
People need to remember the OGB manages the community, not
Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) wrote:
No, you are missing the point.
The idea was to provide a free and open AllInOne A to Z software
platform stack, that would be able to compete with LinUX and to win
the OS battle.
Then that was a mind-numbingly stupid strategy - because:
a) it would take
Matthias Pfützner wrote:
You (James Mansion) wrote:
if you look at Sun's annual earnings documents, you might notice, that most of
Sun's revenue and especially margin was generated by big iron hardware.
Indeed I had.
And the money coming in from software was mostly licebnses to OEMs
Simon Phipps wrote:
Exactly right. As it turned out it was also comfortably profitable. Sun's
terminal problems lay elsewhere.
Which bit of the last financial statement shows evidence of this - that
the profits came from open sourcing, not merely from software that was
open source before
Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de
writes:
more ISVs,
ISV ?
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On 04/ 5/10 09:43 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
Matthias Pfütznermatth...@pfuetzner.de
writes:
more ISVs,
ISV ?
Independent Software Vendor
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Hello Uros!
Officially they published that they will continue to support Java,
OpenSolaris, NetBeans,Oracle and Independent Oracle UGs
Well, they said they will integrate NetBeans, but I know what you mean.
but reality is
completely different. They do notinteract with us (Leaders, at
Hello HeCSa!
I (we) sent emails to the assigned Oracle employee to deal with the
communities, but didn't receive an answer in more than a month, or maybe
more time.
Have you tried emailing Jimm Grisanzio, or someone from the OGB?
This sounds more like a communications problem.
Regards --
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:
Hello HeCSa!
I (we) sent emails to the assigned Oracle employee to deal with the
communities, but didn't receive an answer in more than a month, or maybe
more time.
Have you tried emailing Jimm Grisanzio, or someone from
On 04/ 4/10 08:41 AM, Peter Jones wrote:
I have a question..
So you should have started a new thread!
I complete boot failure (hung on blue startup) on b133 updated...could not
figure out what happened.However looking back I was using a flash drive usb
which I removed before it
Hello Martin!
this time you are going too far to the opposite end (not every of
their PR-statements might turn out to be the truth).
Of course. This is called marketing. :-)
Did you notice? Their first move after the takeover was to lay-off Sun
open-source officer Simon Phipps. Can you
2010/4/4 Мартин Бохниг (Martin Bochnig) mar...@martux.org:
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote:
Hello HeCSa!
I (we) sent emails to the assigned Oracle employee to deal with the
communities, but didn't receive an answer in more than a month, or maybe
more
(If people have been paying
attention they may have seen the term 2010.H1 used in places.)
Aaah, so that's what it means. Thanks Peter.
Regards -- Volker
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Hi Sarah,
Due to some security concerns and other issues, I'd flipped a coin
and await the forthcoming snv_b138 kernel release.
As for any independent distro releases between now and before snv_b138, my
opinion is to wait on doing any major system upgrades, 'production' related
migrations, or
this time you are going too far to the opposite end (not every of
their PR-statements might turn out to be the truth).
Of course. This is called marketing. :-)
This is called bad marketing. Once you promise something you have tofulfill
it, otherwise nobody would trust you if you again
I have no more idea what the release date is than anybody else. But
there have been absolutely clear public commitments that there will be
a release, and the only official statement on the date I've seen is that it
will be in the first half of calendar year 2010. (If people have been paying
You (?? ?? (Martin Bochnig)) wrote:
Did you notice? Their first move after the takeover was to lay-off Sun
open-source officer Simon Phipps. Can you explain this with your
logics from above? How would you?
He left on his own:
http://twitter.com/webmink/status/10861922797
Hi, Volker!
On 04/ 4/10 06:12 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
Hello HeCSa!
I (we) sent emails to the assigned Oracle employee to deal with the
communities, but didn't receive an answer in more than a month, or maybe
more time.
Have you tried emailing Jimm Grisanzio, or someone from
It's been an interesting does he take sugar experience watching the
conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that has
correct information:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/former-sun-open-source-officer-joins-osi-board-109
As for Oracle: Oracle are
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Simon Phipps webm...@opensolaris.org wrote:
It's been an interesting does he take sugar experience watching the
conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that
has correct information:
Martin,
sorry, yes, you're right, I didn't want to discredit you...
There's been too much FUD here lately, thererfore I might be over-reacting!
Sorry again!
Matthias
You (?? ?? (Martin Bochnig)) wrote:
2010/4/4 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de:
You (?? ??
You (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de wrote:
You (?? ?? (Martin Bochnig)) wrote:
Did you notice? Their first move after the takeover was to lay-off Sun
open-source officer Simon Phipps. Can you explain this with your
logics from above? How
OK, as Simon now stated, that he has not been offered a position at Oracle, I
have to withdraw my assumption, that everybody who passed March 1st was
offered one...
Sorry for the confusion...
Matthias
I (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
You (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
Matthias Pfützner
And, for the audience to note here, we (a couple people inside Sun/Oracle) are
also trying to get those, who can speak to send out some words.
But, as Simon said:
Oracle is a company that passes information along, once the decisions are
made. As long as there are no decisions, there is no info.
2010/4/4 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de:
Martin,
sorry, yes, you're right, I didn't want to discredit you...
There's been too much FUD here lately, thererfore I might be over-reacting!
Sorry again!
Matthias
Matthias, ok.
Thanks for publicly correcting your previous
No, because I understand Jim is not who can send us CD's and/or
minibooks for our next Latinamerican Installation Festival (we sent,
from the Venezuela, Colombia, and Argentina, for exampe, several emails
about this), or who is in charge of sending us news about the position
of Oracle
Simon Phipps wrote:
It's been an interesting does he take sugar experience watching the conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that has correct information:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/former-sun-open-source-officer-joins-osi-board-109
Ths
On Apr 4, 2010, at 21:46, James Mansion wrote:
Simon Phipps wrote:
It's been an interesting does he take sugar experience watching the
conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that
has correct information:
This is getting ridiculous, it's been a week, least they could do is reassure
us that they haven't given up on OpenSolaris.
I don't mind the delay but come on Oracle, throw us a friggin' bone here.
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