Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Giles Turner
Well, Solaris 11 will be published in October 2007 ;-) ... see /etc/motd http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6536468 hehe. Okay, trust nobody until you see it with your own eyes. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Jim Grisanzio
UNIX admin wrote: So that M$ and Sun are working together, I think Solaris and the OpenSolaris community at large only stand to profit from this. I hope something *really* comes out of this, and not stay at another publicity stunt. Personally, I think deals like this will absolutely help

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/14/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.200709 12.1.xml Why the dark side parabole? Why, quite a few people view Microsoft as the dark side. It would

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread UNIX admin
Do you seriously believe that there will be any improvements in interoperability between Windows and UNIX due to this? I believe that on the whole, it should help, yes. Example: M$ and Sun have a cross-patent and licensing deal for ten years, four of which have now passed by. Application:

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Andrew Watkins
Likewise, I haven't seen the Sun One Directory server being able to fully and completely replace Microsoft Active Directory because it is fully interoperable with AD, meaning that it can supplant it. At the end of the day this is better for Sun than Microsoft. Microsoft don't care about

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
UNIX admin wrote: And regarding the publicity stunts, have you noticed the distinct lack of them lately? Instead, we have solid deals with Intel, MS, and IBM. The only *concrete* thing thing that I noticed so far, was the code contribution made from the intel OpenSolaris team. I

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Jim Grisanzio
UNIX admin wrote: And regarding the publicity stunts, have you noticed the distinct lack of them lately? Instead, we have solid deals with Intel, MS, and IBM. The only *concrete* thing thing that I noticed so far, was the code contribution made from the intel OpenSolaris team. Yep, the

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread UNIX admin
Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.11 snv_59 October 2007 Gah. Never trust Sales. Nooo (:-) They just want to sell you stuff, no matter what! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread UNIX admin
I don't think you should be expecting direct code contribution into OpenSolaris from either IBM or Microsoft. I don't. But following the anouncement, which was made *four* years ago, I do expect Microsoft products to start appearing for Solaris. Which, apart from not being likely, hasn't

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread UNIX admin
Who needs NTFS when we can see ZFS on Windows ? We're not likely to see ZFS on Windows, primarily because data needs to be migrated *away* from Windows to Solaris, not the other way around. Also, investing the scarce resources to port ZFS to Windows isn't economically feasible for the

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Bruce Shaw
Micro$oft will simply release their own proprietary, incompatible products (remember ADS?) as new. ...and insist everybody follow their standard. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Bruce Shaw
Oh, get real. History will simply repeat itself. It would also be quite useful if Microsoft deployed basic utility for ufs zfs too. Micro$oft will simply release their own proprietary, incompatible products (remember ADS?) as new. UFS- Microsoft's new UVFS (Universal File System) (crippled

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Maybe he

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Casper . Dik
On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously, I don't see it as bad. In the end, customers don't care about

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Darren J Moffat
Giles Turner wrote: On 9/13/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Since the engineering organisations don't know if the next release is Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously,

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml IBM has it for a while and calls it Eclipse ;-) Sun was the only computer company that could live without MS. Let

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Jim Grisanzio
I know you're joking, but seriously, I don't see it as bad. In the end, customers don't care about the politics and scaremongering of companies. They just want solutions and this another thing Sun is doing to provide solutions to challenges their customers face. Totally agree. To me,

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Ché Kristo
But we can't :( This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Ché Kristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we can't :( Oh we can...when the EU gets Microsoft to release interoperability specifications. Then we will be joining ADS domains as full members or controllers and so we will definitely be part of the Dark Side maybe more than we want to be.

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Well, Solaris 11 will be published in October 2007 ;-) ... see /etc/motd Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.11 snv_59 October 2007 Gah. Never trust Sales.

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Ghee Teo
Giles Turner wrote: That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Well, Solaris 11 will be published in October 2007 ;-) ... see /etc/motd Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.11 snv_59 October 2007 Well,

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/13/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager,

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Mario Goebbels
[b]Solaris and Windows Virtualization - Sun and Microsoft will work together to ensure that Solaris runs well as a guest on Microsoft virtualization technologies and that Windows Server runs well as a guest on Sun's virtualization technologies.[/b] Okay, not to be a spoilsport, but what the

[osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/80 ... if we look forwards with some far reaching

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Shawn Walker
On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously, I don't see it as bad. In the end, customers don't care about

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Tim Scanlon
If MS coughs up NTFS code, well then they might actually be more than spewing PR. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
If MS coughs up NTFS code, well then they might actually be more than spewing PR. Who needs NTFS when we can see ZFS on Windows ? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously, I don't

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : No! Not that! I will take Window XP but Vista!?!?!? I need a drink. http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/80 ... if we look forwards with some far reaching visions we can expect to see Solaris running on IBM Power hardware. Just

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Dennis Clarke
Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : No! Not that! I will take Window XP but Vista!?!?!? I need a drink. If you check my blog you will see that I really don't drink the Microsoft cool-aid at all. I am only doing this to test VMware Workstation 6 with 64-bit virtual Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : No! Not that! I will take Window XP but Vista!?!?!? I need a drink. If you check my blog you will see that I really don't drink the Microsoft cool-aid at all. :-) ... if we look

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___