Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-07 Thread James Carlson
john kroll writes: > Just one question not even sure who to reference it to; all of you guys are > way out of my league. Once sx:ce becomes solaris11 : the bleeding edge of Sun > will be solely opensolaris right?? There's certainly no guarantee that our marketing will launch a product called "So

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-04 Thread john kroll
Just one question not even sure who to reference it to; all of you guys are way out of my league. Once sx:ce becomes solaris11 : the bleeding edge of Sun will be solely opensolaris right?? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-dis

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread Boyd Adamson
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Your implication that this would leave equivalent functionality is >> not based in fact. > > OK then, what makes RBAC roles different from sudo roles, > conceptually? I'd love to know. Well, I was talking about functionality, not conceptual equivalence.

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread UNIX admin
> Your implication that this would leave equivalent > functionality is not > based in fact. OK then, what makes RBAC roles different from sudo roles, conceptually? I'd love to know. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss m

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread Brandon Hume
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 07:32 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > So to make you happiest here Sun should kill Solaris and switch to Linux? I think you've missed a lot of his earlier posts. He'd be happiest if Sun killed Solaris and switched to *IRIX*. ___

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
UNIX admin wrote: > Thank you for the permission, but I will stop accusing Sun of the "NIH > sindrome" when they stop reinventing the wheel. To be concrete, in this > particular case, that will be when Sun drops RBAC and pfexec in favor of > sudo, which is almost guaranteed to never happen. So

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread Shawn Walker
2008/7/2 UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You may want to be aware of the fact that sudo is >> being integrated. >> PSARC/2008/370 sudo was closed-approved on June 18th, >> 2008. >> >> You may now stop unfairly accusing sun of "NIH >> syndrome." > > Thank you for the permission, but I will stop a

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread Boyd Adamson
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You may want to be aware of the fact that sudo is being integrated. >> PSARC/2008/370 sudo was closed-approved on June 18th, 2008. >> >> You may now stop unfairly accusing sun of "NIH syndrome." > > Thank you for the permission, but I will stop accusing S

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-02 Thread UNIX admin
> You may want to be aware of the fact that sudo is > being integrated. > PSARC/2008/370 sudo was closed-approved on June 18th, > 2008. > > You may now stop unfairly accusing sun of "NIH > syndrome." Thank you for the permission, but I will stop accusing Sun of the "NIH sindrome" when they stop

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread john kroll
I would like to see the machine offer its own advice linking forum requests to answered working like outcomes. This would give newbies something immediate to try or guide them to info or inform them what to do or report without someone else having to answer a stupid question. I'd even consider h

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
UNIX admin wrote: > The question is, how will the newcomers make progress? Will they eventually > have to "take the plunge" and go SX:DE or SX:CE? Not unless they want to go backwards to old builds - there are no more SXDE builds, and SXCE builds won't keep coming forever. > And the really inter

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread Shawn Walker
2008/7/1 UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> SX-DE is pretty much out of the question after July. >> That clearly has not endeared Sun to the old school. > > They tried to take SX:DE in the direction of GNU/Linux. > > That's not what is needed. What is needed is a future Solaris 11, loaded > with

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread UNIX admin
> SX-DE is pretty much out of the question after July. > That clearly has not endeared Sun to the old school. They tried to take SX:DE in the direction of GNU/Linux. That's not what is needed. What is needed is a future Solaris 11, loaded with compilers and made better by including a full stack

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread Paul Harper
Ok my response: > > There > > already is a channel for Project Indiana > (#os200805) > What an interesting observation! Is it really surprising a channel that has not been advertised has nobody on it? That is why new people come to #opensolaris: "quasi: flood the channel with annoying noobs ti

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread UNIX admin
> I can also understand > the lack of enthusiasm for Indiana (even though it > was my first contact with Solaris and still is) since > Solaris seems to loose it's own identity in favor of > becoming more like Ubuntu. ... > There > already is a channel for Project Indiana (#os200805) > where mostl

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-07-01 Thread UNIX admin
> One of the things I notice on the #opensolaris IRC is > a lack of enthusiasm for Indiana and also a lack of > enthusiasm for assisting people with Indiana > enquiries. A lot of people who are on the channel use > Solaris Express Community Edition. ...Why is that surprising? While "Indiana" may b

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Paul Harper wrote: > I don't want to be going on #opensolaris and annoying the old school > users. They have a point. > > The #os200805 channel might be alright except you have to rename it > every six months. That is why I believe #opensolaris-help or > #opensolaris-newuse

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Harper
The #os200805 looks like a potentially good idea. But it is not well advertise or even shown on the http://www.opensolaris.org/os/chat/ I don't want to be going on #opensolaris and annoying the old school users. They have a point. The #os200805 channel might be alright except you have to rena

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread Björn Herzig
I can understand that a lot of people are upset about the way Sun acts by redirecting new people to #opensolaris. But I don't really understand how people can react hostile towards Indiana users (never really saw that by the way). I can also understand the lack of enthusiasm for Indiana (even th

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread MC
> One of the things I notice on the #opensolaris IRC is yeah opensolaris has a lot of hands and none of them know what all of the others are doing :) > I believe that the way to go would be to have a separate #opensolaris-help > channel signed, endorsed, +1 voted This message posted from o

Re: [osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Harper
I want to be clear here that not everybody on the #opensolaris channel is hostile. I have had some excellent assistance on the channel particularly in regard to a wireless driver. But the hostility to Indiana users does make one start to think that FreeBSD might be a friendlier alternative.

[osol-discuss] The need for a separate #opensolaris-help IRC channel

2008-06-29 Thread Paul Harper
One of the things I notice on the #opensolaris IRC is a lack of enthusiasm for Indiana and also a lack of enthusiasm for assisting people with Indiana enquiries. A lot of people who are on the channel use Solaris Express Community Edition. I believe that the way to go would be to have a separat