Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-12-02 Thread Ivan Wang
On 11/22/10 12:46, David Brodbeck wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Edward Martinezmindbende...@live.com wrote: Only Oracle delivers the most comprehensive, adaptable solutions to meet the needs of small institutions as well as large, multi-location school districts and

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-25 Thread Rthoreau
Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com writes: On 11/21/10 09:44, Oliver H. Weiergraeber wrote: Hello everyone, snip So even though installation for standard desktop use at home may be tolerated (though not explicitly covered by the license), running an unpatched system cannot be an option

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-22 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry G. Kozhinov am serious. I am administering a web server at a university, and my

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-22 Thread Edward Martinez
I I would be curious to know if that's the case. The license doesn't say anything about educational use, and so far nothing I've heard here has suggested that there's a discount for educational institutions. I wouldn't be buying more than a couple licenses, so I doubt they'd

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-22 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote:   Only Oracle delivers the most comprehensive, adaptable solutions to meet the needs of small institutions as well as large, multi-location school districts and university systems. I'm aware of the ad copy. What

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-22 Thread Edward Martinez
On 11/22/10 12:46, David Brodbeck wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Edward Martinezmindbende...@live.com wrote: Only Oracle delivers the most comprehensive, adaptable solutions to meet the needs of small institutions as well as large, multi-location school districts and university

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-21 Thread Oliver H. Weiergraeber
Hello everyone, I am just testing Solaris 11 Express on my Thinkpad. Installation runs smoothly, the system seems very responsive and has a nice professional look. Yes, I think Oracle engineers have done a really good job ;) And that is where the problem starts: I would like to use it as my

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-21 Thread Edward Martinez
On 11/21/10 09:44, Oliver H. Weiergraeber wrote: Hello everyone, I am just testing Solaris 11 Express on my Thinkpad. Installation runs smoothly, the system seems very responsive and has a nice professional look. Yes, I think Oracle engineers have done a really good job ;) And that is where

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Octave Orgeron
: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN) Hi, I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Octave Orgeron
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:57:04 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN) production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only use solaris 11 express only on one of them. is their a lawyer around here

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
An OS-only, online update+reference info only (no assurance of specific response by actual persons) license and software support contract should be available Yes and yes. I even could then spend my own money to run Solaris at work. I am serious. I am administering a web server at a

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Charles Hedrick
I think it's a lot worse. It's not just non-production use, it's only licensed for software development, and only for use by a single person. I can't think of many places where you could actually use it. All of my software developers need to allow someone else onto their machines from time to

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Edward Martinez
I think it's a lot worse. It's not just non-production use, it's only licensed for software development, and only for use by a single person. I can't think of many places where you could actually use it. All of my software developers need to allow someone else onto their machines from time

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Charles Hedrick
Auditing is a standard clause. I won't say that it's harmless, because a software audit in a large organization can be rather disruptive, but you'll find that pretty much all commercial software has it. I can see why. If you have reason to believe that a company isn't properly licensing things,

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I think it's a lot worse. It's not just non-production use, it's only licensed for software development, and only for use by a single person. I can't think of many places where you could actually use it. All of my software developers need to allow someone else onto their machines

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Edward Martinez
Right to audit is an inherent part of a software license, I wouldn't read too much into it, and PLEASE don't subconsciously try to paint Oracle as a bad guy until you have had a chance to become familiar with other similar licenses. (After all, this is an Oracle-sponsored forum, isn't

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry G. Kozhinov am serious. I am administering a web server at a university, and my organization would never pay $1K yearly for allowing this thing just run. I Check the

[osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Edward Martinez
Hi, I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only use

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Not only one computer, but in the hardware environment identified by us. Show them all your PCs, and they will choose :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Calum Benson
On 19 Nov 2010, at 20:59, Edward Martinez wrote: I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non production form),like,

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Ian Collins
On 11/20/10 10:19 AM, Calum Benson wrote: On 19 Nov 2010, at 20:59, Edward Martinez wrote: I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Edward Martinez
On 19 Nov 2010, at 20:59, Edward Martinez wrote: I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non production

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Octave Orgeron
:03 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN) On 19 Nov 2010, at 20:59, Edward Martinez wrote: I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Hi, I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I read the license several times, but, shame-on-me, I think it is EXACTLY what it should be (and actually what it should have been). Sun was trying to play a nice guy, but failed miserably. That has affected not only Sun and Sun's shareholders, but also many of Sun's career employees.

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread Pavel Heimlich
production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only use solaris 11 express only on one of them. is their a lawyer around here;-) Wouldn't downloading S11e as many times as you have machines solve this? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only use solaris 11 express only on one of them. is their a lawyer around here;-) Wouldn't downloading S11e as many times as you have machines solve this? Exactly. Anyone who has downloaded the S11e images should know that