Re: c verses c++

1999-12-23 Thread Terrell Larson
I'll go out on a limb and give an answer to this question that I know some will disagree with. The answer is both yes and no. I'll warn you that this emal drags on a bit and some of my ideas may be incorrect. If so - will those who come across these errors please advise me. Unlike some - w

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Michael Sierchio
Dennis Glatting wrote: > ...Certificate theft is but one very real > problem that undermines the credibility of certificates in general. Certificates aren't secret data, and *can't* be stolen. > ...Additionally, not one > web site I have visited in the last year has asked for my client > cert

RE: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Greg Broiles
Before going too much further down this path, it's useful to think about what CAs are actually needed for, and what certificates are actually needed for - certificates like those discussed below don't seem to match any existing requirements. Right now, CAs like Verisign and Thawte certify that

Netscape Browser Choking Sometimes

1999-12-23 Thread Sean O'Dell
I have a "phony" HTTPS server that I've written using OpenSSL. MS Explorer has no trouble talking to it, but with Netscape, every other time I try to connect with it, Netscape throws a message box up saying "Netscape has encountered bad data from the server." It happens every *other* time I try

Re: c verses c++

1999-12-23 Thread Niels Heyvaert
Calm down. I think we are missing the point here. (I don't want to sound rude) My original question still hasn't been answered yet. So please, I'm asking you, this is really important to me. I'm a ICT engineer and I graduate this year. This question is part of my thesis. I think you understand

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Dennis Glatting
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Massimiliano Pala wrote: > What if certificates could be issued by Municipalities CAs ? Just > like they issue ID cards ? I mean, now you need a credit-card to > demonstrate you are you and able to spend... thnik about the > possibility to get certificates issued by govenam

RE: c verses c++

1999-12-23 Thread Rene G. Eberhard
> So??? what are you saying? In general any good design and > implementation is better than a bad one regardless of the > choice of the implementation language. It appears to me that you > are accusing the OpenSSL developers of producing a > "hack"... Or did I interpret what you said prope

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Michael Sierchio
Bill Michaelson wrote: > I've long believed that acceptance of liability by CA's is what would truly > make certificates meaningful in a practical sense. I'd rather have a > certificate with (fidelity?) insurance from Lloyd's or Citigroup than > what Verisign offers, and it's really what irks me

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Ben Laurie
Creed Millman wrote: > > What if each country's government were to act as CAs? To me this seems the > most logical solution. They already issue passports, driver's licenses, > etc., - why not digital certificates? This would also tie in well with > Massimiliano Pala's vision: "Indeed I see cer

c verses c++

1999-12-23 Thread Terrell Larson
So??? what are you saying? In general any good design and implementation is better than a bad one regardless of the choice of the implementation language. It appears to me that you are accusing the OpenSSL developers of producing a "hack"... Or did I interpret what you said properly? On

RE: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Creed Millman
What if each country's government were to act as CAs? To me this seems the most logical solution. They already issue passports, driver's licenses, etc., - why not digital certificates? This would also tie in well with Massimiliano Pala's vision: "Indeed I see certificates to be like ID cards: y

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Massimiliano Pala
Bill Michaelson wrote: > > > As far as liability being a show stopper, I agree with Ben that it's not. > > "Not for profit" doesn't mean free, it just means "at cost". The cost of > > managing the liability can be passed on to customers like everything else. > > I've long believed that acceptan

Re: ssl3_choose_cipher

1999-12-23 Thread Dr Stephen Henson
Matthias Loepfe wrote: > > Hi again, > > Does really NOBODY has anything to say about the following? Shouldn't the server > try to always choose the best available cipher? > > regards > > Matthias > > Matthias Loepfe wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I have fundamental question regarding choosing the

Re: CRL importing and Netscape CRASH

1999-12-23 Thread Dr Stephen Henson
Michael Ströder wrote: > > Massimiliano Pala wrote: > > > > Dr Stephen Henson wrote: > > > > > Oh and don't even think about using BMPStrings or UTF8Strings in > > > certificates or CRLs BTW. > > > > Do you, or anyone, have contacts with Netscape people (or can get me > > in contact with) to know

Re: ssl3_choose_cipher

1999-12-23 Thread Ben Laurie
Matthias Loepfe wrote: > > Hi again, > > Does really NOBODY has anything to say about the following? Shouldn't the server > try to always choose the best available cipher? Why is DES-CBC3-SHA better than RC4-MD5? Cheers, Ben. > > regards > > Matthias > > Matthias Loepfe wrote: > > > > Hi

Re: Verisign acquisition of Thawte

1999-12-23 Thread Bill Michaelson
> As far as liability being a show stopper, I agree with Ben that it's not. > "Not for profit" doesn't mean free, it just means "at cost". The cost of > managing the liability can be passed on to customers like everything else. I've long believed that acceptance of liability by CA's is what woul

Re: Production CA needed

1999-12-23 Thread Massimiliano Pala
I think the discussion should be continued on another mailing list :-D This is really OT, here (sorry people) ... If you can/want to continue discussing it, please subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] C'you, Massimiliano Pala ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: ssl3_choose_cipher

1999-12-23 Thread Matthias Loepfe
Hi again, Does really NOBODY has anything to say about the following? Shouldn't the server try to always choose the best available cipher? regards Matthias Matthias Loepfe wrote: > > Hi > > I have fundamental question regarding choosing the chipher in SSL. The spec > says that the client sen

RE: Implementation for the GoAhead Webserver

1999-12-23 Thread Rene G. Eberhard
> WHy woudl you transform it to C++. It adds about 50K to the > executable on linux GCC and runs slower. I can't see much reason > to use C++ for a library liek OpenSSL Your statement is not generally applicable! A C++ binary may be a bit larger than a C++ binary. Wheter it runs slower depen

Re: CRL importing and Netscape CRASH

1999-12-23 Thread Michael Ströder
Massimiliano Pala wrote: > > Dr Stephen Henson wrote: > > > Oh and don't even think about using BMPStrings or UTF8Strings in > > certificates or CRLs BTW. > > Do you, or anyone, have contacts with Netscape people (or can get me > in contact with) to know what they are doing by now and if they w