From: Jeffrey Walton
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 7:38 PM
To: OpenSSL Users List
Subject: Re: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Pierre DELAAGE
wrote:
...
The difference is important :
in an association, the openssl organization WOULD REQUIRE some
constraints on its
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
Oh I see.
OK == arbitrary private institutions with no representative or
ideological constraints other than the limit of the law. (And even then...)
More importantly: With an obvious self-interest in protecting themselves
against wiretapping rather
Oh I see.
OK == arbitrary private institutions with no representative or ideological
constraints other than the limit of the law. (And even then...)
Not OK == institutions that are (in theory at least) representative of
nations/countries/states and that are (in theory at least) accountable to
the
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
> ...
>>> The difference is important :
>>> in an association, the openssl organization WOULD REQUIRE some
>>> constraints on its MEMBERS.
>>>
>>
>> We are discussing self-imposed constraints on the Foundation's
>> acceptance of funds from var
Dear Mr Bohm,
Some answers in the text :
Le 30/05/2014 23:52, Jakob Bohm a écrit :
Dear Mr. Delaage,
You are getting things massively wrong, details inline.
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
now
Dear Mr. Delaage,
You are getting things massively wrong, details inline.
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
now quite long.
Of course I understand various moral aspects of the discussion, no doub
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
now quite long.
Of course I understand various moral aspects of the discussion, no doubt
about that.
But I really think that Openssl acts as a kind of apolotical foundation,
and NOT as an association.
Th
On 5/30/2014 12:24 AM, Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
...
The only way to to avoid any political overtones in such a situation (if
that really is your intention, because "doing the right thing" is not an
apolitical notion) is to blindly accept all comers or refuse all comers.
(Subject to the obvious out
I am curious how you would reconcile your two insinuations;
1. that it is a political act to accept donations form a party that has a
particular nationality (or with this or that underlying ownership), even if
that party does so with explicit knowledge that a fundamental condition of
acceptance is
+1 for working *sed* into everyday conversation.
Dustin
On May 29, 2014 5:49 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jeffrey Walton
> wrote:
> >> but let's say it's the government of North
> >> Korea... Even if no strings, it would damage the perception people have
> of
>
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> but let's say it's the government of North
>> Korea... Even if no strings, it would damage the perception people have of
>> OpenSSL just being associated with that entity. So, just be mindful of
>> people's perceptions when accepting anythi
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
> ...
> Ok, I accept the above apologies as I just want to express my worries. Yes,
> it was cynical - I used one line from Huwai, which triggered my response.
> The initial comment from the OpenSSL spokesperson about the "focused"
> interest o
iated with that entity. So, just be mindful of
people's perceptions when accepting anything.
Nick
Original message
From: "Salz, Rich" __
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org <mailto:openssl-users@openssl.org>
ferent for each person, but let's say it's the government of North
>> Korea... Even if no strings, it would damage the perception people have of
>> OpenSSL just being associated with that entity. So, just be mindful of
>> people's perceptions when accepting anything.
&
;s perceptions when accepting anything.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> Original message ----
> From: "Salz, Rich"
> Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
> To: openssl-users@openssl.org
> Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
>
> Frans,
>
> I apologize
; Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
> To: openssl-users@openssl.org
> Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
>
> Frans,
>
> I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
> instead my fingers hit control-return rather than escape.)
>
> I am so
Hi,
> Then again, many developers do have a social handicap - that's why
> they are so good a developer.
that sweeping generalisation is probably worse than calling one person
a troll! ;-)
alan
__
OpenSSL Project
mindful of people's perceptions when accepting
anything.
Nick
Original message
From: "Salz, Rich"
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I m
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
instead my fingers hit control-return rather than escape.)
I am sorry that, on the basis of one posting, I called you a troll, or implied
that you had anything other than concern and interest in seeing the best
p
On 05/29/2014 02:52 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:
Please don't feed the troll
--
Principal Security Engineer
Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz
Being cynical is equal to being a troll?
The initial remarks made by an openssl representative was that that most
con
ay 28, 2014 6:26 PM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
On 05/28/2014 05:18 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
> On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
>> Please accept our thanks as you have saved us a lot of time and money
>
> Yes, quite an unders
On 05/28/2014 05:18 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
> On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
>> Please accept our thanks as you have saved
>> us a lot of time and money
>
> Yes, quite an understatement :\
>
> Now a state sponsored company is sponsoring openssl.org? The bigger the
> country, the h
On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
Please accept our thanks as you have saved
us a lot of time and money
Yes, quite an understatement :\
Now a state sponsored company is sponsoring openssl.org? The bigger the
country, the higher the stakes and thus also the measures to safeguard th
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