Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat]Heat use as a standalone component for Cloud Managment over multi IAAS

2014-02-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Tivelkov's message of 2014-02-28 03:52:52 -0800: Hi Charles, If you are looking for the analogues of Juju in OpenStack, you probably may take a look at Murano Project [1]. It is an application catalog backed with a powerful workflow execution engine, which is built on

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][keystone] Increase of USER_ID length maximum from 64 to 255

2014-02-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-02-28 14:26:26 -0800: On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 13:10 -0800, Mark Washenberger wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Henry Nash hen...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: Hi Mark, So we would not modify any existing

[openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Better handling of lists in Heat - a proposal to add a map function

2014-02-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Since picking up Heat and trying to think about how to express clusters of things, I've been troubled by how poorly the CFN language supports using lists. There has always been the Fn::Select function for dereferencing arrays and maps, and recently we added a nice enhancement to HOT to allow

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-02-15 06:05:30 -0800: - Original Message - From: Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Cc: openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-02-15 13:02:36 -0800: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 15 February 2014 08:42, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com wrote: Option B is we make our job easy by strong arming everyone into the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [Murano] Need a new DSL for Murano

2014-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Tivelkov's message of 2014-02-14 18:17:10 -0800: Hi folks, Murano matures, and we are getting more and more feedback from our early adopters. The overall reception is very positive, but at the same time there are some complaints as well. By now the most significant

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-02-13 13:27:20 -0800: So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, we're running into some friction. I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators :) So far: - some packages use

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Question about Zuul's role in Solum

2014-02-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Julien Vey's message of 2014-02-13 05:18:19 -0800: Hi, I have some concerns about using Zuul in Solum I agree gating is a great feature but it is not useful for every project and as Adrian said, not understood by everyone. I think many Solum users, and PaaS users in general,

Re: [openstack-dev] bad default values in conf files

2014-02-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from David Kranz's message of 2014-02-13 06:38:52 -0800: I was recently bitten by a case where some defaults in keystone.conf were not appropriate for real deployment, and our puppet modules were not providing better values https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1064061. Just

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] in-instance update hooks

2014-02-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-02-12 05:18:31 -0800: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Hi, so in the previous thread about rolling updates it became clear that having in-instance control over updates is a more fundamental idea than I had

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] in-instance update hooks

2014-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Spatzier's message of 2014-02-11 00:38:53 -0800: Hi Clint, thanks for writing this down. This is a really interesting use case and feature, also in relation to what was recently discussed on rolling updates. I have a couple of thoughts and questions: 1) The overall

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] in-instance update hooks

2014-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2014-02-11 07:19:19 -0800: On 02/10/2014 10:22 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Hi, so in the previous thread about rolling updates it became clear that having in-instance control over updates is a more fundamental idea than I had previously believed. During

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel][TripleO] NIC bonding for OpenStack

2014-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Andrey Danin's message of 2014-02-11 08:42:46 -0800: Hi Openstackers, We are working on link aggregation support in Fuel. We wonder what are the most desirable types of bonding now in datacenters. We had some issues (see below) with OVS bond in LACP mode, and it turned out that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] in-instance update hooks

2014-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
be a long long time. * Destroy or update the node Thanks, Kevin From: Clint Byrum [cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:13 AM To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] in-instance update hooks Excerpts from Steven Dake's

[openstack-dev] [Heat] in-instance update hooks

2014-02-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Hi, so in the previous thread about rolling updates it became clear that having in-instance control over updates is a more fundamental idea than I had previously believed. During an update, Heat does things to servers that may interrupt the server's purpose, and that may cause it to fail

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Nominate Jason Dunsmore for heat-core

2014-02-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Curse you Randall for taking first post! +1 Excerpts from Randall Burt's message of 2014-02-09 14:47:39 -0800: Very +1 Original message From: Steve Baker Date:02/09/2014 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [heat] Nominate

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Sofware Config progress [for appliances]

2014-02-06 Thread Clint Byrum
, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/14/2014 09:27 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Prasad Vellanki's message of 2014-01-14 18:41:46 -0800: Steve I did not mean to have custom solution at all. In fact that would be terrible. I think Heat model of software config and deployment

Re: [openstack-dev] Asynchrounous programming: replace eventlet with asyncio

2014-02-06 Thread Clint Byrum
All due respect to Zane who created the scheduler. We simply could not do what we do without it (and I think one of the first things I asked for was parallel create ;). IMO it is the single most confusing thing in Heat whenever one has to deal with it. If we could stick to a threading model

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Rolling updates spec re-written. RFC

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-02-04 16:14:09 -0800: On 03/02/14 17:09, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thomas Herve's message of 2014-02-03 12:46:05 -0800: So, I wrote the original rolling updates spec about a year ago, and the time has come to get serious about

Re: [openstack-dev] why do we put a license in every file?

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Greg Hill's message of 2014-02-05 08:29:20 -0800: I'm new, so I'm sure there's some history I'm missing, but I find it bizarre that we have to put the same license into every single file of source code in our projects. In my past experience, a single LICENSE file at the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Rolling updates spec re-written. RFC

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2014-02-05 07:35:37 -0800: On 02/04/2014 06:34 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 5 February 2014 13:14, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: That's not a great example, because one DB server depends on the other, forcing them into updating serially

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Monty Taylor's message of 2014-02-05 14:57:33 -0800: On 01/27/2014 11:02 AM, Day, Phil wrote: -Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: 24 January 2014 21:09 To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Day, Phil's message of 2014-01-27 03:02:17 -0800: -Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: 24 January 2014 21:09 To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Murray, Paul (HP Cloud Services)'s message of 2014-01-27 04:14:44 -0800: Hi Justin, My though process is to go back to basics. To perform discovery there is no getting away from the fact that you have to start with a well-known address that your peers can access on the

Re: [openstack-dev] Ugly Hack to deal with multiple versions

2014-02-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jesse Noller's message of 2014-02-04 11:55:57 -0800: On Feb 4, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 02/05/2014 01:50 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 02/05/2014 01:09 AM, Dean Troyer wrote: On

[openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Rolling updates spec re-written. RFC

2014-02-03 Thread Clint Byrum
So, I wrote the original rolling updates spec about a year ago, and the time has come to get serious about implementation. I went through it and basically rewrote the entire thing to reflect the knowledge I have gained from a year of working with Heat. Any and all comments are welcome. I intend

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Rolling updates spec re-written. RFC

2014-02-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-02-03 10:47:06 -0800: Quick thoughts: - I'd like to be able to express a minimum service percentage: e.g. I know I need 80% of my capacity available at anyone time, so an additional constraint to the unit counts, is to stay below 20% down at a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Rolling updates spec re-written. RFC

2014-02-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Herve's message of 2014-02-03 12:46:05 -0800: So, I wrote the original rolling updates spec about a year ago, and the time has come to get serious about implementation. I went through it and basically rewrote the entire thing to reflect the knowledge I have gained from

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Ironic] Roadmap towards heterogenous hardware support

2014-02-02 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jaromir Coufal's message of 2014-02-02 11:19:25 -0800: On 2014/30/01 23:33, Devananda van der Veen wrote: I was responding based on Treat similar hardware configuration as equal. When there is a very minor difference in hardware (eg, 1TB vs 1.1TB disks), enrolling them with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How to model resources in Heat

2014-01-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Hugh Brock's message of 2014-01-31 04:53:11 -0800: On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-01-30 19:30:40 -0800: On 30/01/14 16:54, Clint Byrum wrote: I'm pretty sure it is useful to model images in Heat

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] About LaunchConfiguration and Autoscaling

2014-01-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Herve's message of 2014-01-30 03:01:38 -0800: Hi all, While talking to Zane yesterday, he raised an interesting question about whether or not we want to keep a LaunchConfiguration object for the native autoscaling resources. The LaunchConfiguration object basically

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] About LaunchConfiguration and Autoscaling

2014-01-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-01-30 07:38:38 -0800: On 30/01/14 06:01, Thomas Herve wrote: Hi all, While talking to Zane yesterday, he raised an interesting question about whether or not we want to keep a LaunchConfiguration object for the native autoscaling resources.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] devtest thoughts

2014-01-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2014-01-30 11:08:44 -0800: On 2014-01-30 09:28, James Slagle wrote: devtest, our TripleO setup, has been rapidly evolving. We've added a fair amount of configuration options for stuff like using actual baremetal, and (soon) HA deployments by default.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] devtest thoughts

2014-01-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-01-30 07:28:01 -0800: devtest, our TripleO setup, has been rapidly evolving. We've added a fair amount of configuration options for stuff like using actual baremetal, and (soon) HA deployments by default. Also, the scripts (which the docs are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How to model resources in Heat

2014-01-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-01-30 19:30:40 -0800: On 30/01/14 16:54, Clint Byrum wrote: I'm pretty sure it is useful to model images in Heat. Consider this scenario: resources: build_done_handle: type: AWS::CloudFormation::WaitConditionHandle

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] [TripleO] adding process/service monitoring

2014-01-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Richard Su's message of 2014-01-27 17:59:34 -0800: Hi, I have been looking into how to add process/service monitoring to tripleo. Here I want to be able to detect when an openstack dependent component that is deployed on an instance has failed. And when a failure has occurred

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] State preserving upgrades working, next MVP selection?

2014-01-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-01-27 09:22:21 -0800: - Original Message - From: Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:30:22 PM Subject: [openstack-dev]

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Node groups and multi-node operations

2014-01-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-01-26 10:27:36 -0800: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-01-25 02:47:42 -0800: On 25 January 2014 19:42, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Node groups and multi-node operations

2014-01-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-01-25 02:47:42 -0800: On 25 January 2014 19:42, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-01-24 18:48:41 -0800: However, in looking at how Ironic works and interacts with Nova, it doesn't seem like

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Relationship between Neutron LBaaS and Libra

2014-01-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Vishvananda Ishaya's message of 2014-01-21 12:16:12 -0800: On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Thomas Herve's message of 2014-01-19 01:52:56 -0800: Hi, I haven’t read through those (need to go spend time with family so

Re: [openstack-dev] [Murano] Repositoris re-organization

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Tivelkov's message of 2014-01-21 11:55:34 -0800: Hi folks, As we are moving towards incubation application, I took a closer look at what is going on with our repositories. An here is what I found. We currently have 11 repositories at stackforge: - murano-api

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] question on proposed software config

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Prasad Vellanki's message of 2014-01-24 00:21:06 -0800: I have a question on agent as part of cfninit that communicates with heat about config done state indication or config tool agent such as chef or puppet communicating with chef server. Since the VM resides on the data

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Justin Santa Barbara's message of 2014-01-24 07:43:23 -0800: Good points - thank you. For arbitrary operations, I agree that it would be better to expose a token in the metadata service, rather than allowing the metadata service to expose unbounded amounts of API functionality.

Re: [openstack-dev] MariaDB support

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Tim Bell's message of 2014-01-24 10:32:26 -0800: We are reviewing options between MySQL and MariaDB. RHEL 7 beta seems to have MariaDB as the default MySQL-like DB. Can someone summarise the status of the OpenStack in terms of -What MySQL-flavor is/are currently

Re: [openstack-dev] MariaDB support

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Dake's message of 2014-01-24 11:05:25 -0800: On 01/24/2014 11:47 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Tim Bell's message of 2014-01-24 10:32:26 -0800: We are reviewing options between MySQL and MariaDB. RHEL 7 beta seems to have MariaDB as the default MySQL-like DB

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] File Injection (and the lack thereof)

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-01-24 06:15:12 -0800: In going through the bug list, I spotted this one and would like to discuss it: can't disable file injection for bare metal https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1178103 There's a #TODO in Ironic's PXE driver to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Day, Phil's message of 2014-01-24 04:39:10 -0800: On 01/22/2014 12:17 PM, Dan Prince wrote: I've been thinking a bit more about how TripleO updates are developing specifically with regards to compute nodes. What is commonly called the update story I think. As I

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Day, Phil's message of 2014-01-24 04:24:11 -0800: Cool. I like this a good bit better as it avoids the reboot. Still, this is a rather large amount of data to copy around if I'm only changing a single file in Nova. I think in most cases transfer cost is worth

Re: [openstack-dev] MariaDB support

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chuck Short's message of 2014-01-24 11:46:47 -0800: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/24/2014 11:47 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Tim Bell's message of 2014-01-24 10:32:26 -0800: We are reviewing options between MySQL

Re: [openstack-dev] MariaDB support

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Tim Bell's message of 2014-01-24 11:55:02 -0800: This is exactly my worry... at what point can I consider moving to MariaDB with the expectation that the testing confidence is equivalent to that which is currently available from MySQL ? The on-disk format is not so much a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Justin Santa Barbara's message of 2014-01-24 12:29:49 -0800: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Heat has been working hard to be able to do per-instance limited access in Keystone for a while. A trust might work just fine for what you want. I wasn't actually aware

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] File Injection (and the lack thereof)

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2014-01-24 14:17:38 -0800: Cloud-init 0.7.5 (not yet released) will have the ability to read from an ec2-metadata server using SSL. In a recent change I did we now use requests which correctly does SSL for the ec2-metadata/ec2-userdata reading. -

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] File Injection (and the lack thereof)

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Veen's message of 2014-01-24 14:41:44 -0800: Awesome! But, Ironic will still need a way to inject the SSL cert into the instance, eg. config-drive over virtual media, or something. -D On Jan 24, 2014 2:32 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Node groups and multi-node operations

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-01-22 16:44:01 -0800: 1: physical vs. logical grouping - Some hardware is logically, but not strictly physically, grouped. Eg, 1U servers in the same rack. There is some grouping, such as failure domain, but operations on discrete nodes

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Node groups and multi-node operations

2014-01-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-01-24 18:48:41 -0800: On 25 Jan 2014 15:11, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-01-22 16:44:01 -0800: What Tuskar wants to do is layer workloads on top of logical and physical

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Thomas's message of 2014-01-23 04:57:20 -0800: On 22/01/14 20:54, Clint Byrum wrote: I don't understand the aversion to using existing, well-known tools to handle this? These tools are of course available to users and nobody is stopping them from using them. We

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-01-22 09:17:24 -0800: I've been thinking a bit more about how TripleO updates are developing specifically with regards to compute nodes. What is commonly called the update story I think. As I understand it we expect people to actually have to reboot

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-01-22 10:15:20 -0800: - Original Message - From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:45:45 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
(not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it? - Original Message - From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:45:45 PM Subject: Re

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-01-22 10:53:14 -0800: On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 13:15 -0500, Dan Prince wrote: - Original Message - From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:45:45 PM

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2014-01-22 12:19:56 -0800: I think most of the time taken to reboot is spent in bringing down/up the services though, so I'm not sure what it really buys you if you do it all. It may let you skip the crazy long bootup time on enterprise hardware, but

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Keith Basil's message of 2014-01-22 12:27:50 -0800: On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 13:15 -0500, Dan Prince wrote: - Original Message - From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] Changes coming in gate structure

2014-01-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-01-22 13:43:41 -0800: On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 15:39 -0500, Sean Dague wrote: snip == Executive Summary == To summarize, the effects of these changes will be: - 1) Decrease the impact of

Re: [openstack-dev] Unified Guest Agent, PoC for os-collect-config

2014-01-21 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dmitry Mescheryakov's message of 2014-01-21 09:30:17 -0800: Hello folks, At the end of the previous discussion on the topic [1] I've decided to make a PoC based on oslo.messaging. Clint suggested and I agreed to make it for os-collect-config. Actually I've made a PoC for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Relationship between Neutron LBaaS and Libra

2014-01-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Herve's message of 2014-01-19 01:52:56 -0800: Hi, I haven’t read through those (need to go spend time with family so replying quickly) but given the dates the planning phases for Quantum/Neutron LBaaS and Libra LBaaS were at the same time. There was an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Relationship between Neutron LBaaS and Libra

2014-01-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-01-18 11:02:12 -0800: Cutting to the chase... have there been any discussions about the long-term direction of Libra and Neutron LBaaS. I see little point having two OpenStack endpoints that implement the same basic load balancing functionality. Is

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] milestone-proposed branches

2014-01-17 Thread Clint Byrum
tl;dr: You're right, it would be useful. Points on what is blocking it below: Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-01-17 05:18:01 -0800: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Note that tripleo-incubator is special and should not be released

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for dd disk i/o performance blueprint of cinder.

2014-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2014-01-16 09:29:14 -0800: Yeah, I think the evil firmware issue is separate and should be solved separately. Ideally, there should be a mode you can set the bare metal server into where firmware updates are not allowed. This is useful to more folks

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for dd disk i/o performance blueprint of cinder.

2014-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from CARVER, PAUL's message of 2014-01-16 05:21:24 -0800: Alan Kavanagh wrote: I posted a query to Ironic which is related to this discussion. My thinking was I want to ensure the case you note here (1) a tenant can not read another tenants disk.. the next (2) was where in

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] milestone-proposed branches

2014-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Note that tripleo-incubator is special and should not be released. It is intentionally kept unfrozen and unreleased to make sure there is no illusion of stability. If there are components in it that need releasing, they should be moved into relevant projects or forked into their own projects.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Domain Model Locations

2014-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-01-12 11:40:41 -0800: On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 10:28 -0500, Jay Dobies wrote: So, it's not as simple as it may initially seem :) Ah, I should have been clearer in my statement - my understanding is that we're scrapping concepts like Rack

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for dd disk i/o performance blueprint of cinder.

2014-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alan Kavanagh's message of 2014-01-16 20:28:05 -0800: +1makes sense to me. I will write up a Blueprint for this for review in Ironic and we take it from their. I don't see this as evil firmware, more a good process we need to automate as part of sanity checks before

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jaromir Coufal's message of 2014-01-15 02:05:52 -0800: 1) Check for an already deleted server before deleting any. This is related to stack convergence: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-convergence This will allow users to just delete a server they want

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)'s message of 2014-01-15 07:04:48 -0800: -Original Message- From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:52 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re:

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Tuskar] Editing Nodes

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-01-15 05:07:08 -0800: I'll start by laying out how I see editing or updating nodes working in TripleO without Tuskar: To do my initial deployment: 1. I build a set of images for my deployment for different roles. The images are different based

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] why don't we deal with claims when live migrating an instance?

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Hi Chris. Your thread may have gone unnoticed as it lacked the Nova tag. I've added it to the subject of this reply... that might attract them. :) Excerpts from Chris Friesen's message of 2014-01-15 12:32:36 -0800: When we create a new instance via _build_instance() or

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for dd disk i/o performance blueprint of cinder.

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alan Kavanagh's message of 2014-01-15 19:11:03 -0800: Hi Paul I posted a query to Ironic which is related to this discussion. My thinking was I want to ensure the case you note here (1) a tenant can not read another tenants disk.. the next (2) was where in Ironic you

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Sofware Config progress

2014-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Hey Steve, it has taken me about a month to get enough time to go through this. Thanks for doing it, comments in-line. Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-12-13 15:46:48 -0800: I've been working on a POC in heat for resources which perform software configuration, with the aim of

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Sofware Config progress

2014-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Prasad Vellanki's message of 2014-01-13 23:23:15 -0800: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: that Steve Thanks for detailed email. Apologize for the delayed response but we have been thinking about how does software config fit into

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Sofware Config progress

2014-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Prasad Vellanki's message of 2014-01-14 18:41:46 -0800: Steve I did not mean to have custom solution at all. In fact that would be terrible. I think Heat model of software config and deployment is really good. That allows configurators such as Chef, Puppet, Salt or Ansible to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Vitaly Kramskikh's message of 2014-01-14 12:35:43 -0800: Hi Jaromir, 2014/1/13 Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com So what we can do at the moment (until there is some way to specify which node to remove) is to inform user, which nodes were removed in the end... at least.

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Common SSH

2014-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2014-01-13 09:10:27 -0800: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Bhuvan Arumugam bhu...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@dreamhost.com wrote: Where are we doing those sorts of operations?

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.config] Centralized config management

2014-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Nachi Ueno's message of 2014-01-13 10:35:07 -0800: Hi Clint 2014/1/10 Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com: Excerpts from Nachi Ueno's message of 2014-01-10 13:42:30 -0700: Hi Flavio, Clint I agree with you guys. sorry, may be, I wasn't clear. My opinion is to remove every

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)'s message of 2014-01-13 06:54:11 -0800: From: Jaromir Coufal [mailto:jcou...@redhat.com] On 2014/10/01 19:02, Dougal Matthews wrote: - If I remove some instances, do I as the administrator need to care which are removed? Do we need to

Re: [openstack-dev] [gantt[ Patches to sync gantt up to the current nova tree

2014-01-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2014-01-12 14:45:11 -0800: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: So I have 25 patches that I need to push to backport changes that have been made to the nova tree that apply to the gantt tree. The

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.config] Centralized config management

2014-01-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Nachi Ueno's message of 2014-01-10 13:42:30 -0700: Hi Flavio, Clint I agree with you guys. sorry, may be, I wasn't clear. My opinion is to remove every configuration in the node, and every configuration should be done by API from central resource manager. (nova-api or neturon

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.config] Centralized config management

2014-01-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2014-01-09 12:21:05 -0700: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Nachi Ueno na...@ntti3.com wrote: Hi folks Thank you for your input. The key difference from external configuration system (Chef, puppet etc) is integration with openstack services.

Re: [openstack-dev] os-*-config in tripleo repositories

2014-01-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Derek Higgins's message of 2014-01-09 06:13:53 -0700: It looks like we have some duplication and inconsistencies on the 3 os-*-config elements in the tripleo repositories os-apply-config (duplication) : We have two elements that install this

Re: [openstack-dev] os-*-config in tripleo repositories

2014-01-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-01-09 11:56:16 -0700: - Original Message - From: Derek Higgins der...@redhat.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:13:53 AM Subject: [openstack-dev] os-*-config in

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-01-07 21:26:44 -0800: On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 17:20 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 January 2014 12:18, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, the crux of the problem was likely that versions in the distro were too old and they needed to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Derek Higgins's message of 2014-01-08 02:11:09 -0800: On 08/01/14 05:07, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2014-01-07 16:27:35 -0800: Another piece to the conversation I think is update philosophy. If you are always going to require a new image

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-01-08 07:03:39 -0800: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 8 January 2014 12:18, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, the crux of the problem was likely that versions in the distro were

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Dobies's message of 2014-01-08 08:09:51 -0800: There were so many places in this thread that I wanted to jump in on as I caught up, it makes sense to just summarize things in once place instead of a half dozen quoted replies. I agree with the sentiments about flexibility.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jan Provaznik's message of 2014-01-08 03:00:19 -0800: On 01/07/2014 09:01 PM, James Slagle wrote: Hi, I'd like to discuss some possible ways we could install the OpenStack components from packages in tripleo-image-elements. As most folks are probably aware, there is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
We're in agreement. What little entry there might be in a system of such a small size would be entirely manageable by a single administrator... I care about that deployment, deeply, as that is how things like OpenStack take root in IT departments.. with somebody playing around. However, what I

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Sofware Config progress

2014-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
I'd say it isn't so much cloud-init that you need, but some kind of bootstrapper. The point of hot-software-config is to help with in-instance orchestration. That's not going to happen without some way to push the desired configuration into the instance. Excerpts from Susaant Kondapaneni's

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
What would be the benefit of using packages? We've specifically avoided packages because they complect[1] configuration and system state management with software delivery. The recent friction we've seen with MySQL is an example where the packages are not actually helping us, they're hurting us

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-01-07 12:53:57 -0800: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: What would be the benefit of using packages? We're building images on top of different distributions of Linux. Those distributions themselves offer packaged

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Jones's message of 2014-01-07 14:43:31 -0800: Hi On 7 Jan 2014, at 22:18, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Packages do the opposite, and encourage entropy by promising to try and update software Building with packages doesn't require updating running systems

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

2014-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2014-01-07 13:11:13 -0800: I was going to stay silent on this one, but since you asked... /me puts his customer hat on We source OpenStack from RDO for the packages and additional integration testing that comes from the project instead of using

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