"Right, so we all agree that what we *don't* want is TC candidates saying
"I'm here to represent the interests of user community X against those of
evil user community Y", all of the X users voting for X candidates and not
Y candidates, and then the elected X members voting to block anything that
o
On 17/10/17 14:16, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-16 18:10:20 -0400:
On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Even the rewritten question can be answered
legitimately using several different personas by people with a bit
of experience. I have worked at a pub
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-16 18:10:20 -0400:
> On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> > Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400:
> >> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
> >> want to rephrase the question, because p
On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400:
Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either
failing to understand or refusing to answer it
On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 12:51 -0400, Zane Bitter wrote:
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or
> anyone else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical
> OpenStack user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are
> _you_ building OpenStack for?
There
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
> want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either
> failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it.
>
> Most of the candida
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400:
> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
> want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either
> failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it.
>
> Most
Hi Zane,
A few comments in line.
Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó
(IRC: ildikov)
> On 2017. Oct 13., at 21:21, Zane Bitter wrote:
>
> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I want
> to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either failing to
>
On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
> All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the
> politician's answer.
>
> Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use cases
> will *definitely* be excluded in order to better serve others, but becau
Interesting, now I like this thread more. Back to the original question
"what does an OpenStack user look like?", I'd like to translate it as
"what does a cloud user look like?". Unless we want to limit "OpenStack"
as a software for VPS service. IMHO, the cloud user is developers, who
can use the s
Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either
failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it.
Most of the candidates are essentially saying that the answer is 'everyone'.
I
I used to be able to say "my OpenStack background is in Operations" but
that isn't strictly true anymore. I've now spent the majority of my time
doing what is considered 'developer' work. One thing is for certain though,
I have never stopped building OpenStack for what I see as the "hypothetical
Op
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:51 PM Zane Bitter wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends
> on Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm
Zane, thanks for the question.
Let me answer from the perspective of an OpenStack user (I work for
Verizon) and from a developer (both now, and in the past as part of
Tesora). OpenStack has multiple different users:
- Deployers: People who deploy OpenStack and operate a cloud environment.
- Pro
Zane,
Thanks for raising the discussion. We recently discuss a lot about what's
OpenStack, what OpenStack Foundation should be. I would like to list some
discussion I involved before [1]. OpenSack affects following people and
organizations. we should consider when we make decisions.
*Q1: Who b
On 12/10/17 17:51, Zane Bitter wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends
> on Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building Op
Hi All,
Let me reflect to the question in the subject first where I would like to stick
to the word ‘user’ and keep my answer simple. I think an OpenStack user
is/looks like as an average person.
To give a longer explanation, in my view when we are designing our user-facing
API’s we need to ke
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51:10PM -0400, Zane Bitter wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have the
> opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on
> Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture o
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
> On 12/10/17 15:07, Mohammed Naser wrote:
>>
>> Hi Zane,
>>
>> Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical
>> question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so
>> that we can all build OpenStack in the same
On 12/10/17 19:43, Fox, Kevin M wrote:
I slightly disagree. I think there are 3 sets of users not 2...
Operators, Tenant Users, and Tenant Application Developers.
Tenant Application Developers develop software that the Tenant Users
deploy in their tenant.
Most OpenStack developers consider th
> *To:* openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
> *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an
> OpenStack user look like?
>
> That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're
> building the software for. As a service maintainer and ups
On 12/10/17 15:07, Mohammed Naser wrote:
Hi Zane,
Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical
question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so
that we can all build OpenStack in the same direction.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
(R
Kevin
From: Fei Long Wang [feil...@catalyst.net.nz]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:16 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack
user look like?
That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we
That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're
building the software for. As a service maintainer and upstream
developer of a public cloud based on OpenStack, I would say some times
we're mixing the term 'users'. The user in OpenStack world includes
*operators* and *tenant users*
Replying on top of Mohammed, since I like his answer and want to add
some comments.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Mohammed Naser wrote:
[...]
> Ideally, I think that OpenStack should be targeted to become a core
> infrastructure tool that's part of organizations all around the world
> which
Hi Zane,
Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical
question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so
that we can all build OpenStack in the same direction.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaig
(Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends
on Saturday, so make with the questions.)
In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for.
When I'm making design decisions I
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