Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-29 Thread Jean-Philippe Evrard
n have an upgrade path provided by the tool would be a >>> great thing. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kevin >>> ________ >>> From: Michał Jastrzębski [inc...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:5

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-25 Thread Flavio Percoco
i [inc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:50 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers So my 0.02$ Problem with handling Newto

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-24 Thread Emilien Macchi
zębski [inc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:50 PM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] > [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers > > So my 0.02$ >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-17 Thread Fox, Kevin M
(not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers So my 0.02$ Problem with handling Newton goes beyond deployment tools. Yes, it's popular to use, but if our dependencies (openstack services

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-17 Thread Bogdan Dobrelya
On 10/17/17 12:50 AM, Michał Jastrzębski wrote: > So my 0.02$ > > Problem with handling Newton goes beyond deployment tools. Yes, it's > popular to use, but if our dependencies (openstack services > themselves) are unmaintained, so should we. If we say "we support > Newton" in deployment tools,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Emilien Macchi wrote: > > Thierry, when I read your comment on Gerrit I understand you prefer to > amend the existing policy and just make a note for installers (which > is I think the option #2 that I proposed). Can you please confirm > that? > So far I see option #1 has large consensus here,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Michał Jastrzębski
So my 0.02$ Problem with handling Newton goes beyond deployment tools. Yes, it's popular to use, but if our dependencies (openstack services themselves) are unmaintained, so should we. If we say "we support Newton" in deployment tools, we make kind of promise we can't keep. If for example there

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Emilien Macchi
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Emilien Macchi wrote: >> [...] >> ## Proposal >> >> Proposal 1: create a new policy that fits for projects like installers. >> I kicked-off something here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511968/ >> (open for

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Steven Dake (stdake)
Steve, I can see how #1 might be a problem in general and should be addressed in reasonable ways. For #2, I think your analysis of the tech in use is accurate and if a new policy is made it be general yet inclusive enough to permit lifecycle management tools to improve and grow. Regards

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Steven Hardy
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > Emilien, > > I generally thought the stable policy seemed reasonable enough for lifecycle > management tools. I’m not sure what specific problems you had in TripleO > although I did read your review. Kolla was

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Alex Schultz
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > Emilien, > > I generally thought the stable policy seemed reasonable enough for lifecycle > management tools. I’m not sure what specific problems you had in TripleO > although I did read your review. Kolla was

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Emilien Macchi's message of 2017-10-13 15:02:10 -0700: > Greeting folks, > > I hope we can get attention from stable-maint, release-managers and > installers projects. > > > ## Background > > Some projects tried hard to follow stable policy but it didn't finish > well:

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Steven Dake (stdake)
Emilien, I generally thought the stable policy seemed reasonable enough for lifecycle management tools. I’m not sure what specific problems you had in TripleO although I did read your review. Kolla was just tagged with the stable policy, and TMK, we haven’t run into trouble yet, although the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Jean-Philippe Evrard
On 16 October 2017 at 12:27, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Emilien Macchi wrote: >> [...] >> ## Proposal >> >> Proposal 1: create a new policy that fits for projects like installers. >> I kicked-off something here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511968/ >> (open for feedback).

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Emilien Macchi wrote: > [...] > ## Proposal > > Proposal 1: create a new policy that fits for projects like installers. > I kicked-off something here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511968/ > (open for feedback). > Content can be read here: >

[openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-13 Thread Emilien Macchi
Greeting folks, I hope we can get attention from stable-maint, release-managers and installers projects. ## Background Some projects tried hard to follow stable policy but it didn't finish well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507924/ This policy is too strict for projects like installers,